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Date Posted: Thursday, July 17, 11:53:28am
Author: Peacock
Subject: Re: Its Binghamton
In reply to: oldtimer#1 's message, "Re: Its Binghamton" on Thursday, July 17, 01:14:02am

What will happens has not exactly been determined. At this point you only have probabilities and they don't look good. Loyal is just going off and taking shots at anything he came come up with. We have one to give for third year and with Traore leaving should have one next year. Not reasonable or ethical to project a defection. We are in a position to have a ship taken next year per current events. There may well be other opportunities, such as wavier or put off to Goodings which come up the following season. I even doubt the staff knows exactly what will happen, but you can bet they understand the probabilities. Their decisions will be made on these probabilities. Remember a ship is not lost until the NCAA says it is. Since Orta left to play Pro ball in Ponce, we might slide as one consideration being considered by the NCAA is the kids leaving to play pro ball and they canít just restrict it to the NBA

As you well know, I didn't have fond feelings for the performance of John and his staff the last two years. Even Loyal just can't remember that Dunne did not have the garbage people say his first year, but for whatever reason it stunk as much. The second year stunk even worse as the promise was there. The absolute inability to understand the concept ( their choices established this) of a point guard far outshawdows Loyal's comments on size. A stated reluctance to consider JCs as that is not a way to build a team. Now he has recently, but a little too late. That is now in the past and we have a three year span to deal with and I am willing to give it the chance.


John has been very relentless in recruiting and works three times as hard as the previous staff in this area. The issues here are not a subject of criticism. Even the results seem decent despite the current BS. So lets see what the play and execution will be this year. If we have another season of wondering where the offensive flow is then it becomes obvious. Defense was a problem, but not just down low, all over. Whether you agree or not, defense can be taught and in the end John will be judged more on handling of the team play, offense and defense, than on his recruiting.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Its Binghamton -- oldtimer#1, Thursday, July 17, 01:04:39pm [1]

Hit the nail on the head with your comment about probabilities. Without talking or considering defections the issue as to how many scholarships are available is one of probabilities. I agree with your assessment that while the Orta situation is potentially damaging one cannot assume that which we don't know is going to happen. Thus my best guess ( as yours ) is for the staff to ignore that situation unless and until it becomes a reality.Hence your comment on probabilities is on target. The real questions revolve around Conley's status and whether JD chooses or even finds another player this year.


Regarding Conley, as you know, the NCAA permits a college to admit a nonqualifer and even pay for tuition except that those funds cannot come from athletics. That why Sludge's heads up about Darius speaking with admissions is crucial. As you know SPC has recently upgraded it's admissions standards.Thus the real question becomes what was the purpose of the visit? Admission, financial or some combination thereof. It may distress some to know that Admissions is a seperate entity and not a pawn of athletics as may be the case in other institutions. Whether we like that or not that is reality at SPC. Again to some extent what will happen is out of JD's control. Hope we know Conley's status soon.



I agree with you that the issue is not identification of potential prospects and the recruitment thereof. Believe that JD, Morton and staff are excellent at that. Certainly, bad breaks and even regretfull decisions will happen but that is part of any Program. You may be surprised to hear that I also agree with your take on the issue of overall performance and evaluation of such. Certainly there can be excuses and/or reasonable explanations but the bottom line in anything is the record. Other factors will be considered when the contract expires and but the decision will ultimately be based on performance.


I also don't disagree with most of your take on last year. IMO there was offensive flow but not on a consistent basis. Similarly with defense. While it was probably some combination of rookie learning mistakes by frosh players and similar mistakes by staff, one can again not deny that the total package looked very poor in too many games. However, I like your conclusion to observe this years "flow", defense etc. rather than making over the top statements as some are prone to do. I support JD and staff and firmly believe that they are more than capable. They are doing many of the right things that few here know about such as intensive conditioning and strength training, extra shooting practices and drills etc. However the bottom line is all that well directed effort will be to no avail if performance doesn't follow.


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