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[> [> [> Re: Where is the ROI -- Griff, Thu, December 25 2025, 6:24:29

No offense to the kids who run, but if the Canisius cross country team won the national championship, I doubt I would even know, There's a reason why some sports are spectator sports and others are not.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Where is the ROI -- PFM, Thu, December 25 2025, 7:59:17

Well, when Quinnipiac's WBB team made the sweet sixteen the whole country know about it...could it happen with CU baseball or softball team...with a "consistent" winning program? What would that do for the CU image and student recruitment verses a BB program that plays in a high school gym in front of a handful of students?

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Where is the ROI -- Griff, Thu, December 25 2025, 16:14:03

You really think there is a high school kid whose college decision is going to be influenced by the success of the softball team?

The "whole" country didn't know about Quinny's women making the sweet 16. I just had to Google it to refresh my memory that it even happened and I don't recall a single detail. Let's be honest. Try as some might, women's basketball has a very very narrow fan base - at all levels.

Football and men's basketball drive 99% of the interest in collegiate sports. And the goal obviously should be to not play in a "high school gym in front of a handful of students". I would take the men's basketball team simply competing for MAAC titles year after year (a la Iona) over winning national championships in golf, soccer, rowing, etc. a 100 times out of a 100. And I know I'm not alone.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Where is the ROI -- PFM, Fri, December 26 2025, 2:04:21

When was the last MAAC title? When did we compete year-after-year for a MAAC title? Do you really expect that to happen in the age of NIL. Not sure I will live long enough to see that happen.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Where is the ROI -- Griff, Fri, December 26 2025, 5:43:35

Tied for the MAAC title in 2018. Finished 2nd in 2014 and 2019. Finished 3rd in 2013.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Where is the ROI -- PFM, Fri, December 26 2025, 13:06:05

OK, may be your definition of success...not mine.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Where is the ROI -- Griff, Fri, December 26 2025, 13:50:57

What's your definition of success I'm confused? Winning the rowing national championship? You asked when they last won the MAAC title and I answered. It includes four top 3 finishes in the last 13 seasons. Not great but not God awful either. Sure NIL has changed the landscape dramatically but with the exception of Siena and Iona, everyone else is in the same ballpark. Enough at least to find other ways to get it done and consistently compete to be in the top 4 or 5 each year.

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[> [> Re: Where is the ROI -- PFM, Thu, December 25 2025, 1:52:52

"This was a money game" I guess most who post here are too young to remember when Canisius posted winning records against top ranked D1 teams...now it is a little like prostitution, lousy work and bad for your reputation but the money is good.

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[> [> [> Re: Where is the ROI -- In fairness..., Thu, December 25 2025, 13:29:11

There's this narrative that Canisius used to beat Power 4 teams. Canisius is 3-25 against the Big Ten, 14-26 against the Big 12, 41-96 against the ACC, 52-95 against the Big East, and 109-195 against the A-10 all-time.

That doesn't mean that Canisius should forget its past. It doesn't mean that the Griffs should just give up, but the game has changed and Canisius needs to evolve with it. Spending time thinking about NIL, fundraising, tickets, sponsorships, and marketing are all better than dwelling on games at the Aud.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Where is the ROI -- PFM, Fri, December 26 2025, 1:53:45

I rather liked it more when we beat Syracuse, Providence, (amongst others) in the same season. Now we just schedule money games against such teams, if they will have us.

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[> [> [> Re: Where is the ROI -- Get with the times., Fri, December 26 2025, 10:03:10

So, tell us how you really feel?

The hard part about this era is $ is the most important thing and then ensuring you invest it in the right players is the second most important.

Go Griffs!

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