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Date Posted: 23:22:10 12/08/02 Sun
Author: Dave Gilson
Subject: It was related, albeit tenuously
In reply to: Saintly 's message, "No, actually a completely non-related PoV" on 22:23:07 12/08/02 Sun

>So if there's a discussion of Hull's merits, and an
>individual is being actively miserable, how does this
>serve to lower morale?

It's the difference between moaning/whining and giving constructive criticism.

Then again, I'm not actually sure what you mean by "actively miserable". I assume you mean common or garden moaning. If so, then constructive critcism is better everytime.

>Surely the opposite is in fact
>true. I think a hell of a lot of people need an
>anti-Eutopia/Student Syndrome pill in this place...

Doesn't sound like any students I know. The ones I know are mostly more cynical than the stereotypical students of the 70's (give or take a decade).

> I
>still actively support this city's redevelopment, but
>citing positivity as being generally beneficial pisses
>me off.

I'm not surprised, decorating a new place can have that effect on you, certaintly does on me. ;-D

Well by the sounds of it to me, if you truely "acitvely support the redevelopment of the city", then that is being actively positive.

>Maybe for a handful it encourages an impetus
>for change, but in the majroity it creates a sense of
>ingenuine satisfaction, masking the reality of the
>problems and implicitly stifling any progress being
>made.

Yep we definitely have differing language here. What being positive appears to mean to you is what I'd call being delusional. To me, the opposite of being positive about the place is something like simply saying "this place is shit" and just leaving it at that, no qualification and/or no suggestion for improvement.

>
>Also, that wasn't actually the point of my message, so
>as an alternative point of view what you said was
>bordering on the irrelevant.

It was the talk of dismissals that seemed to make the post fit were it went best.

Hey, I think we mostly agree anyway, we've just got different ways of putting it :-)

D.

PS.
If you still don't like what I've got to say, blame yourself, you were the one that asked me to come back here ;-) lol.

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