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Don Gillam (grateful)
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Date Posted: Sat, Jul 07 2007, 0:02:34
Hi, Jannock ---
Thanks for a very interesting piece of information, and no, I had not heard nor read any of your information before. Albeit, I never thought that "Thor" was necessarily akin to the gods, but was perhaps somehow connected to something religious and most definitely to the Norse / Vikings. And now you tell me that "Thorkil" was not even a person, but a place --- WOW. That surely throws a kink into the process! And that Uctred was actually the one most directly connected to the 1066 thing...still another new wrinkle.
You started by saying, "According to this passage" --- then you quote from something --- what is it you are quoting from?
Are you an English Cleveland or an American Cleveland?
I am anxious to read more about our Klievland ancestry in Norway --- that would add an even greater impact to 1066.
Thanks again for a great post!!
Don
>According to this passage:
>"I read the conclusion about the Cleveland and
>deCliveland name down through English history and
>found it to not be totally correct. It is really such
>a small thing, but let me explain what I mean. The
>deCliveland and Thorkil are quite wrong. The Thor bit
>does not come from the god Thor but from the Norse
>word 'Thorp,' meaning farm or settlement--there are
>many combinations of the 'Thorp' word in place names
>over here from the days of the Norsemen and the
>Scandinavian raids. They are numerous up along the
>northeast, like 'Grimethorpe' in Yorkshire meaning
>Grim's farm, 'Kettlethorpe' in Lincolnshire meaning
>Kettel's settlement, etc. Cleveland probably means
>Cleve's land, and 'Cleveland' used to be a district in
>its own right before it was merged into the country of
>Northumberland. The 'Thorkil' probably means something
>like 'Kel's thorpe of or in Cliveland.' Your family
>name could very likely be from even earlier than 1066
>because the Viking raids were before and after the
>Conquest. Andover, England, used to pay Danegeld
>(Dane's gold) to a Viking king as 'protection money'
>to save it from being overrun by the invaders."
>
>That said, there are folks in Norway named Kleivland
>and also there seems to be a region, town, area or
>locale etc. in Hordaland, Norway that is caries the
>name Klieveland too. I feel, it is more than a
>coincidence, but could be a path to earlier connections
>
>Kil’s or Kel’s farm of Kleivland. Thorkil de Cliveland
>wasn’t a person, it was a place! Uctred could’ve been
>the landholder of Kel’s farm in a later generation.
>
>The Viking’s were farmers as well as warriors and
>tradesmen; many settled and stayed in North Umbria. It
>seems highly plausible to me that our earliest
>ancestors colonized a landing there, set up a farm and
>food production, and became landholders, protectors,
>or tribute takers in the area. Regional lords.
>
>I have only done a cursory search of Kleiveland, so
>much more data/knowledge will be needed.
>
>Thought I would throw this out there, and see what
>others think of it. Or is this old news?
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