| Subject: Contradiction: Thought/Consciousness vs. Supremity (is that a word?) |
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mi chamocha
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Date Posted: 03:52:37 07/12/01 Thu
In reply to:
lark33i
's message, "God" on 20:21:17 07/09/01 Mon
Lark's above claim (thinking?) can be made even stronger:
Thought, awareness, and consciousness are activities that are inexorably linked to the passage of time. Only beings that exist within time can have these attributes.
Time (or for that matter, any conceivable analog to time) is contingent (see my diary entry, "Proof of G-d's Existence, Revisited", or see 'An Atheist's site if you don't understand what this means). Hence anything that exists within time is contingent as well.
If G-d is thinking/conscious/aware, then G-d must exist within time; in this case, G-d is contingent. If G-d is contingent, then if we accept the premise that I gave in "Proof of G-d's Existence, Revisited", that anything contingent must have a reason for its existence (ie, a creative mechanism), then this begs the question, "What created G-d?". If the contingency premise is accepted, then that question must have an answer, ie, G-d must have a creator. At that point, we can no longer really say that G-d is supreme.
On the other hand, if G-d is necessary, then G-d can't exist within time, and hence G-d can't be thinking/conscious/aware.
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