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Date Posted: 04:42:56 01/31/03 Fri
Author: Êðîò
Subject: Re: Nova rosijska istogografija
In reply to: Norman 's message, "Nova rosijska istogografija" on 15:37:32 01/29/03 Wed

Çäàºòüñÿ íà çóñòð³÷³ ç ³ñòîðèêàìè Ïóò³íó â éîãî “ï³âí³÷íèõ ïðîïîçèö³ÿõ” â³äìîâèëè ³ çàïðîïîíóâàëè íå âèäàâàòè áàæàíå çà ä³éñíå. Ìîæå Âîëîäÿ ³ íå ïîñëóõàâñÿ, àëå ïîêèùî îô³ö³éíî ÿê çäàºòüñÿ - âñå òèõî. ß ïðàâäà íå çíàþ ðåàëüíå ñòàâëåííÿ Ïóò³íà äî âñ³õ ºâðàç³éñüêèõ ïðîáëåì, àëå çäàºòüñÿ â³í á³ëüøå “ºâðà糺öü” í³æ “íàö³îíàë³ñò”. Ç ³íøîãî áîêó ³ñòîðè÷íà â³äìîâà â³ä Êèºâà öå íå äóæå “ïî ³ìïåðñüê³”.

² íå äóìàþ, ùî ñàìà òåíäåíö³ÿ ïóò³íñüêà. Ç ðîçâèòêîì íàö³îíàë³çìó (îñîáëèâî íàö³îíàë-ñîö³àë³ñòè÷íîãî, “ñê³íîâñüêîãî”) ³ çàíåïàäîì ³ìïåðñüêîãî òðèºäèíñüòâà “íîðäè÷í³” íàñòðî¿ çðîñòàþòü - öå ³ ñòàòòÿ ç “Ðîä³íè”, ³ ö³ëèé ñàéò ç ïîñòó íèæ÷å (Ñëàâà - “Ñëàâÿíå”), ³ îïóñ ʳð³ë³íà íà “Ñï³ëö³”… Õî÷à áóâຠâîíè íåçíà÷íî ð³çíÿòüñÿ.

Âñ³ ³ñòîð³îãðàô³÷í³ õèòàííÿ òà ðîçõîäæåííÿ â Ðîñ³¿ ç ÷àñîì ³ â ð³çíèõ ïîë³òè÷íèõ òàáîðàõ êàæóòü ëèøå ïðî àêòóàëüí³ñòü ³ çíà÷íó ³ñòèíí³ñòü ñàìå àëüòåðíàòèâíîãî “óêðà¿íñüêîãî ïîãëÿäó”. Âðàæຠðîñ³éñüêà ã³ïåðïîë³òèçîâàí³ñòü: êîíöåïö³¿ (ÿæ í³ÿê íå ìàðã³íàëüí³, ìàéæå ð³âíîçíà÷í³) ïðîòèëåæí³ ìàéæå äî íàâïàêè (!), àëå íåîäì³ííî ºäèí³ â ïèòàííÿõ “âåëèêîðóññêîñòè Ðóñè” ³ “ðîë³ Óêðà¿íè”, íàïð: ñòàðà “êè¿âñüêà ïîãîä³íñüêà” ³ íîâà “ï³âí³÷íà” (“Ðîä³íà”, ʳð³ë³í). ª ïðàâäà ³ ìîäèô³êîâàíèé ìàâðîäèíñüêèé âàð³àíò, äå çì³íè ïîëÿãàþòü â îñîáëèâ³é “âåëèêîðóññêîñòè”.

Âñ³ âàð³àö³¿ ö³õ êîíöåïö³é âîñíîâíîìó âæå äàâíî ñïðîñòîâàí³. Òîìó ñåðüîçíî â ÷åðãîâèé ðàç ðîçãëÿäàòè ¿õ äóìàþ íåìຠñåíñó. Ìîñêàë³â çðîçóì³òè ìîæíà, ùî ìàºìî òî ìàºìî, à ìàºìî ðîçâèòîê ñàìîñò³éíèöüêîãî âåëèêîðóñüêîãî íàö³îíàë³çìó, ÿêèé ïîòðåáóº ï³âí³÷íèõ ôàíòàç³é, ùîáè ñâîþ ðóññêóþ ñàìîñò³éí³ñòü îáãðóíòóâàòè ³ñòîðè÷íî (“ì³ôîëîã³÷íî”). Çâè÷àéíî öå ³ñòîðè÷íå íåâ³ãëàñòâî, çâè÷àéíî íå ³äåàëüíèé äëÿ íàñ âàð³àíò, àëå äóìàþ ïîë³òè÷íî ïðèéíÿòíèé íà äàíîìó åòàï³.

“Ðîä³íà”.

1. “Äàâíÿ Ðóñü” äóìàþ öå òåæ ïðàâèëüíî, ³íøà ñïðàâà ùî “Ðóñü” ó íèõ â ðîçóì³íí³ “Ðîñ³¿”.

2. Íåîáãðóíòîâàíî. ͳÿêèõ äîêàç³â, îêð³ì çáðîéíîãî çàõîïëåííÿ Êèºâà âàðÿãàìè ðþðèêîâè÷àìè (äèíàñòè÷íî¿ çì³íè), íåìàº.

3. Ñïðîñòîâàíî ùå ñîâåöüêèìè íàóêîâöÿìè (íàïð Á. Ðèáàêîâ).

4. Ïðàâèëüíî äóìàþ áóäå: ϳâäåííà Ðóñü (âëàñíå Ðóñü) ùå ³ ³ðàíñüêà.

5. Çâ³äêè áè íàçâà íå ïîõîäèëà (õòî êîãî çàïðîñèâ, “çàâîþâàâ”), â³äîìî ùî ðóñàìè-ðîñàìè-ðóñèíàìè íàçèâàëèñü ëèøå íàääí³ïðÿíö³, à çåìëÿ ¿õ Ðóññþ, Ðóñüêîþ. ϳâí³÷íå íàñåëåííÿ òóò íåïðè÷îìó, àäæå çã³äíî ë³òîïèñó âàðÿãè (ðóñü) ïàíóâàëè ³ íàä íèìè, ïðîòå ñëîâ’ÿíñüêîþ Ðóññþ “ñòàâ” ëèøå ϳâäåíü.
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