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Date Posted: 21:26:08 11/11/02 Mon
Author: Òðåéòÿê
Subject: Re: óðèâîê ÷.8 - ïîâíèé òåêñò
In reply to: Vitaliy 's message, "Re: óðèâîê ÷.8 - ïîâíèé òåêñò" on 07:07:59 11/10/02 Sun

ÿ ïîäàâ òóò ïîâíèé òåêñò äëÿ òîãî, ùîáè íå äîâîäèëîñÿ ³íøèì ÷èòà÷àì çàéâîãî ðàçó â³äêðèâàòè Á³áë³þ, ñïåö³àëüíî øóêàþ÷è òîé óðèâîê. Âàø³ öèòàòè áåçóìîâíî âèêîíàëè ñâîº çàâäàííÿ, ïðîäåìîíñòðóâàâøè íåâ³äïîâ³äíîñò³ ó òðàêòóâàíí³ ï.Äîâáóøà. Îòæå, ì³é äîäàòîê òóò ëèøå äîïîâíþº òå, ùî Âè âæå çðîáèëè.

Ùî æ ñòîñóºòüñÿ çàãàëüíèõ ïèòàíü, òî äèñêóñ³ÿ ïî÷àëàñÿ ñàìå ïðî Òàëìóä, é õî÷à â ö³é ã³ëö³ ç"ÿâèëàñÿ òåìà ïðî ïîë³òêîðåêòí³ñòü, àëå ñïî÷àòêó Âàøèìè çóñèëëÿìè, à ïîò³ì çóñèëëÿìè ï.Äîâáóøà âîíà ïîòèõåíüêó çíîâó ïîâåðíóëàñÿ äî æèä³â: àäæå ï.Äîâáóø ñàìå äëÿ òîãî é ïîäàâ ò³ öèòàòè. Òî ÿ ò³ëüêè ïðîäîâæèâ íà òîìó øëÿõó, ³ çãàäàâ ïðî Òàëìóä, ç ÿêîãî é ïî÷àëàñÿ ðîçìîâà.

Çðåøòîþ, ùî º íàéö³êàâ³øèì (â öüîìó êîíòåêñò³) ó äîïèñ³ ï.Äîâáóøà äëÿ ìåíå, öå òå, ùî â³í çãàäàâ ôàðèñå¿â - îïîíåíò³â ²ñóñà, à òàëìóäè÷íèé þäà¿çì º ñàìå âèñë³äîì ïåðåìîãè â æèä³âñüê³é ðåë³´³¿ ö³º¿ ïàðò³¿.

Ïðèòîìó ö³êàâî â³äì³òèòè, ùî "ïàðò³ÿ ²ñóñà" ï³øëà â³äòàê "íà åì³´ðàö³þ", ñåáòî â ³íøîíàö³îíàëüíå ñåðåäîâèùå, íå çâ"ÿçàíå ñâîºþ ³ñòîð³ºþ ç³ Ñòàðèì Çàïîâ³òîì - àëå îñê³ëüêè Õðèñòîâå â÷åííÿ, âèêëàäåíå ó Íîâîìó Çàïîâ³ò³, º äóæå ïîâ"ÿçàíèì ç³ Ñòàðèì, òî õðèñòèÿíñüêà Á³áë³ÿ "âèìóøåíî" ì³ñòèòü îáèäâà, òîä³ ÿê Ñòàðèé Çàïîâ³ò - îïîâ³äàííÿ ç³ ñõ³äíî¿: ãåáðåéñüêî¿ òà æèä³âñüêî¿ (*) ñòàðîâèíè, º ïî ñóò³ ÷óæèì äëÿ õðèñòèÿí-ºâðîïåéö³â, é í³òðîõè íå çâ"ÿçàíèì ç ¿õíüîþ âëàñíîþ ³ñòîð³ºþ.


(*) ïîíÿòòÿ ãåáðåéñüêèé òà æèä³âñüêèé çîâñ³ì íå º òîòîæí³ìè, ÿê ìîæíà ïîäóìàòè ç äîïèñ³â Ëåìà :). Âò³ì, öå ïèòàííÿ ïîòðåáóº îêðåìîãî ðîçãëÿäó.

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