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Date Posted: 15:58:25 08/20/02 Tue
Author: Òðåéòÿê
Subject: òîé õòî õî÷å, çíàéäå...
In reply to: Andrij 's message, "Re: ïîòð³áí³ äîêàçè" on 21:09:41 08/19/02 Mon

ß áà÷ó, Âè òàêè âî볺òå óñå áà÷èòè ó ôîðìàë³çîâàíîìó ñâ³òë³. Âàñ ö³êàâèòü òå, ùî ëåæèòü íà ïîâåðõí³, à ùî 䳺òüñÿ íà ãëèáèí³, òî Âàì, âèáà÷òå, ïî öèìáàëàõ. Àëå, ÿ ñòâåðäæóþ, â ðàç³ ñóòòºâî¿ çì³íè ñèòóàö³¿ îòå ãëèáèííå âèéäå íàçâåðõ, ³ òîä³ Âè ìàáóòü ïîâàæàòèìåòå íîâèì òà íå÷óâàíèì òå, ùî íàñïðàâä³ ò³ëüêè õîâàëîñÿ äî ÷àñó. Âò³ì, ãåòü ç ô³ëîñîô³ºþ...

Ñòîñîâíî äîêàç³â, òî çàðàç ÿ íå áóäó í³÷îãî ñïåö³àëüíî øóêàòè, áî øêîäà ÷àñó íà î÷åâèäíå, àëå ðàäèâ áè ïåðåäèâèòèñÿ ïóáë³êàö³¿ ç òàêèõ ðîñ³éñüêèõ ÷àñîïèñ³â ÿê "Èçâåñòèÿ", "Îáùàÿ ãàçåòà", "Íåçàâèñèìàÿ ãàçåòà", "Íîâàÿ ãàçåòà", òà ùå ìîæëèâî, "ÊîììåðñàíòÚ-Âëàñòü", "Îãîíåê" ïðîòÿãîì îñòàííüîãî ðîêó. Ïðî Á³ëîðóñü âîíè ïèñàëè äîñèòü ÷àñòî, é ïðî îïîçèö³þ çîêðåìà, à â îäí³é ç ïóáë³êàö³é íàâ³òü ïîÿñíþâàëîñü, ÷èì â³äð³çíÿºòüñÿ "á³ëîðóñüê³ äåìîêðàòè" â³ä "ÁÍÔ-³âñüêèõ íàö³îíàë³ñò³â", ïðè÷îìó ïîÿñíþâàâ ÿêèéñü êîëèøí³é ëóêàøåíê³âñüêèé ÷èíîâíèê. Áóäå çíîâó ùîñü ïîä³áíå òðàïèòüñÿ íà î÷³, ïîñòàâëþ òóò. Âëàñíå, ÿêùî Âè ä³éñíî ö³êàâèòåñÿ ðåàëüíèì ñòàíîì á³ëîðóñüêî¿ ïîë³òèêè, òî ïîøóêàéòå ñàì³ - çíàéäåòå îáîâ"ÿçêîâî.

Ùîäî á³ëîðóñüêî¿ îïîçèö³¿ ÿê òàêî¿.... ßê ÿ âæå ïèñàâ, äóæå ð³çí³ ëþäè òàì ç³áðàëèñÿ, ³ ïîçà íåíàâèñòþ äî Ëóêàøåíêà âîíè ñï³ëüíèõ ïîãëÿä³â ïðàêòè÷íî íå ìàþòü. Ðîçñóä³òü ñàì³: íàö³îíàë³ñòè ç ÁÍÔ, êîìóí³ñòè, êîëèøíº ëóêàøåíê³âñüêå ÷èíîâíèöòâî, íåâäîâîëåí³ á³çíåñ-ìîíîïî볺þ Ëóêàøåíêà ïðåòåäåíòè íà îë³ãàðõ³â, ³ ò.ä. Óñ³ ðàçîì õî÷óòü ïðèáðàòè Ëóêàøåíêà, àëå êîæíèé ìຠíà ìåò³ ñâîº. ¯õíÿ ñï³âïðàöÿ ìîæëèâà ëèøå äî ÷àñó ïîâàëåííÿ Ëóêàøåíêà, à ùî áóäå êîëè éîãî ïðèáðàòè? ×è Âè ãîòîâ³ çàãàðàíòóâàòè, ùî ÷àñòèíà ö³º¿ "îá"ºäíàíî¿" îïîçèö³¿ íå ãîòîâà ïîçáóòèñÿ Ëóêàøåíêà íàâ³òü ö³íîþ á³ëîðóñüêî¿ íåçàëåæíîñò³?

Äåùî ïðî Ðîñ³þ. Ïî-ïåðøå, õ³áà ÿ ñêàçàâ, ùî íèí³øíÿ Ðîñ³ÿ º äåìîêðàòè÷íîþ òà ë³áåðàëüíîþ? ͳ. Àëå ¿¿ ïîë³òè÷íèé ðåæèì ïîçà ñóìí³âîì ë³áåðàëüí³øèé òà äåìîêðàòè÷í³øèé, ïîð³âíþþ÷è ç á³ëîðóñüêèì. À óñå æ â³äíîñíî - ìîæå êîìóñü ç á³ëðóñ³â òàêîãî ³ âèñòà÷èëî á, õòî æ çíàº...

Ïî-äðóãå, âåëèêó ïîìèëêó ðîáèòå Âè ñàì³, êîëè îòîæíþºòå ëóêàøåíê³âñüêèé ðåæèì ç ïóò³íñüêèì, íà ò³é ï³äñòàâ³, ùî "Ïåðøèé âáèâຠáåç ñóäà òà ñë³äñòâà, ñàìå ÿê ³ äðóãèé". ß òàê çðîçóì³â, ñòîñîâíî Ðîñ³¿ Âè ìàëè íà óâàç³ ×å÷íþ? Öå æ ÷èñòèé ïðàâîçàõèñíèé ïàôîñ, àëå ÿ ñòâåðäæóþ, ðåàëüíî æîäíèé ïåðåñ³÷íèé á³ëîðóñ íå çâàæàòèìå íà ×å÷íþ, õ³áà ëèøå â òîìó ñåíñ³, ùî í³êîëè íå áàæàâ áè ñâî¿ì ä³òÿì òóäè ïîòðàïèëè ñëóæèòè. À ñèìïàò³¿ äî ÷å÷åíö³â â³í íå ìàº, òî äëÿ íüîãî ÷óæèíö³, ÿêèõ ìîæíà, é ö³ëêîì éìîâ³ðíî, íàâ³òü òðåáà âáèâàòè.

--- Íàðåøò³, ÕÒÎ ÑÀÌÅ ï³äòðèìóâàâ òîé íåäåìîêðàòè÷íèé òà íåë³áåðàëüíèé ðåæèì â Á³ëîðóñ³ óñ³ ö³ ðîêè? Âè äóìàºòå á³ëîðóñè ñïðàâä³ íàñò³ëüêè çàòóðêàí³, àáè íå ïîì³òèòè òó ï³äòðèìêó ðåæèìó Ëóêàøåíêà? Öå æ ñì³õ.

Òà ÿ áè ç Âàìè ìîæå ïîñì³ÿâñÿ, àëå ïåðåä òèì ñïèòàþ: íó ³ ùî ç òîãî? À çàõ³äí³ àë³ÿíòè çà Äð. Ñâ³òîâî¿ ï³äòðèìóâàëè ñòàë³íñüêèé ðåæèì (ÿêèé, ì³æ í³øèì, çíèùèâ çíà÷íî á³ëüøå ëþäåé, í³æ ã³òëåð³âñüêèé), ³ ïîò³ì â³ääàëè éîìó ï³â-ªâðîïè. Îáëèøòå, êîëè éäåòüñÿ ïðî äåðæàâí³ ³íòåðåñè, íåìຠì³ñöÿ äëÿ ³äåàë³çìó. Òà é íàëàøòîâàíèé îòîé ïåðåñ³÷íèé á³ëîðóñ ïðîðîñ³éñüêè, íåçàëåæíî â³ä òîãî, ùî 䳺 Ðîñ³ÿ. Öå âæå ïîçà ëîã³êó âèõîäèòü. Çãàäàéòå-íî, êîëè Ëóêàøåíêî ðîç³ãíàâ áóâ ñòàðó Âåðõîâíó Ðàäó, òî äî êîãî çâåðíóëèñÿ ìàéáóòí³ îïîçèö³îíåðè íà ÷îë³ ç òîä³øí³ì ñï³êåðîì, ãà? À äî Ðîñ³¿, äî ×îðíîìèðä³íà, ïî éîãî "ìóäðå ïîñåðåäíèöòâî". ß Âàñ ïèòàþ, äå áóâ ¿õí³é ðîçóì? Àäæå òîä³ ñàìå Ëóêàøåíêî âèãîëîøóâàâ ñâî¿ ïðîðîñ³éñüê³ ãàñëà, à âîíè òîä³ âèãëÿäàëè êóäè ñåíñàö³éí³øå, í³æ ñüîãîäí³. Ïîðàõóâàòè, ïî ÷èºìó áîö³ ñòàíå Ðîñ³ÿ, ìîãëà á ³ äèòèíà, à á³ëîðóñüê³ äåðæàâí³ ä³ÿ÷³ íå çäóæàëè... ¯õíÿ ïñèõîëîã³ÿ çàáëîêóâàëà ¿ì ðîçóì.

Ïîâåðòàþ÷èñü äî ïèòàííÿ ïðî ïóò³íñüêó íåäåìîêðàòè÷í³ñòü, â³äïîâ³äàþ íà âàøó ðåïë³êó "Íó äå öå âè áà÷èëè "äåìîêðàòè÷í³ òà ë³áåðàëüí³" êðà¿íè, ùî çíèùóþòü ö³ë³ ì³ñòà ðàçîì ç ìåøêàíöÿìè-âëàñíèìè ãðîìàäÿíàìè?":
Âè éîìó ñòàâèòå â ïðîâèíó òå, ùî âæå âèáà÷èâ éîìó óâåñü äåìîêðàòè÷íèé çàõ³äíèé ñâ³ò. ϳñëÿ âåðåñíÿ ìèíóëîãî ðîêó. ² íàâ³òü á³ëüøå çà òå, öå ñàìå éîìó ïîñòàâëåíî òåïåð â çàñëóãó, áî "Ðîñ³ÿ ìຠäîñâ³ä ó áîðîòüá³ ç òåðîðèçìîì". À Âè ùå äîñ³ çàñóäæóºòå. ϳäòÿãóéòåñü, äåìîêðàòè÷íèé ñâ³ò ÷åêຠ:)

--- Íåäèâíî, ùî Êîîðäèíàö³éíà Ðàäà Äåìîêðàòè÷íèõ Ñèë Á³ëîðóñ³ íå ïîä³ëÿº âàøîãî ïîãëÿäó íà "âèá³ð" ì³æ íåçàëåæí³ñòþ òà äåìîêðàò³ºþ. Ïèòàííÿ ðàäøå ñòî¿òü ïî ³íøîìó, àáî äåìîêðàò³ÿ òà íåçàëåæí³ñòü â Á³ëîðóñ³, àáî àâòîêðàò³ÿ òà äèêòàò â Ðîñ³¿.

ß ùå ðàç ï³äêðåñëþþ, ùî çàïðîïîíîâàíèé âèá³ð óÿâíèé, ³ çàðàç íà÷åáòî é íå íà ÷àñ³. Àëå â³í ãëèáèííèé, çàñàäíè÷èé. Ïîòî÷íà ñèòóàö³ÿ ìîæå çì³íèòèñÿ âìèòü òàê, ùî â³í âèïëèâå íàçâåðõ. ² ùî òîä³? À ðîñ³éñüêèé ðåæèì íå äåìîí³çóéòå, éîìó âæå âèïèñàíî ³íäóëüãåíö³þ çàñëóæåíèìè äåìîêðàò³ÿìè :). Ùî æ äî "Êîîðäèíàö³éíî¿ Ðàäè...", òî íàçâà ãó÷íà, ïðîìîâèñòà. Àëå ÿ âîë³þ äèâèòèñÿ íå íà ôîðìó, àëå íà çì³ñò, à ïðî íüîãî ìîâëåíî âèùå. Öå ñàìå ðàäæó ³ Âàì: çí³ì³òü ðîæåâ³ îêóëÿðè, îáëèøòå ë³áåðàëüíî-ïðàâîçàõèñíèé ïàôîñ, ³ ñïðèéìàéòå ñèòóàö³þ ÿê âîíà º, à íå ÿêîþ õîò³ëîñÿ á.

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