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Date Posted: 16:41:13 03/20/02 Wed
Author: Òðåéòÿê
Subject: çáðîéíà ïðèñóòí³ñòü, òðèâàëå ïàíóâàííÿ âèõîâóþòü ï"ÿòó êîëîíó
In reply to: Ìàêñèì 's message, "âîºííà ïåðåâàãà ïîðîäæóº" on 00:46:05 03/18/02 Mon

--- ß ÷èòàâ, ùî â áóäü-ÿêîìó ñóñï³ëüñòâ³ çàâæäè îäíàêîâèé â³äñîòîê ´îëóáèõ.  ñàìîìó ³ñíóâàíí³ ï’ÿòî¿ êîëîíè º ùîñü â³ä öüîãî ôåíîìåíà.

Ñëóøíî :)

--- çâ³äêè êîëîíà áåðåòüñÿ äî â³éñüêîâèõ ä³é?

ï"ÿòà êîëîíà âèõîâóºòüñÿ â òîìó ÷èñë³ òðèâàëèì ïàíóâàííÿì. Çàâæäè çíàéäåòüñÿ ïåâíèé â³äñîòîê, ÿêèé ñòàíå íà á³ê ñèëüí³øîãî âîðîãà-çàâîéîâíèêà.

--- Ó ô³í³â 39-ãî êîëîíà çíàõîäèëàñÿ çà ìåæàìè êðà¿íè, ÿê ³ ó ÷å÷åíö³â ó ïåðøó â³éíó.

ͳ, ÿ æ êàæó, â ÷å÷åíö³â ùå ï³ä ÷àñ ïåðøî¿ â³éíè ñèä³â óðÿä ç ìîñêîâñüêî¿ ðóêè. Ïðîñòî Ìîñêâà âèÿâëà òîä³ íåäîäñòàòíþ íàïîëåãëèâ³ñòü. Ãðîìàäñüêà äóìêà âñåðåäèí³ ñàìî¿ Ðîñ³¿ òåæ äî ïåâíî¿ ì³ðè ñïðè÷èíèëà äî ïðèïèíåííÿ â³éíè. Ó äðóã³é â³éí³ Ìîñêâà âèÿâèëà íàäçâè÷àéíó íàïîëåãëèâ³ñòü, ãðîìàäñüêà äìêà áëà ï³äãîòîâàíà ñïåö. çàñîáàìè, äîäàéòå ñþäè ùå é âèêîðèñòàííÿ íåãàòèâíîãî äîñâ³äó ïåðøî¿ â³éíè. Ï"ÿòà êîëîíà íàâðÿä ÷è çì³öí³øàëà ì³æ â³éíàìè, ðàäøå íàâ³òü çàñëàáëà.

--- Òîìó ³ çàêîíîì³ðíèìè áóëè ðåçóëüòàòè âîºííèõ ä³é.

Ðîçó쳺òå, ÿêáè Ìîñêâ³ âäàëîñÿ çàõîïèòè ñê³ëüêè-íåáóäü çíà÷íèé êëàïòèê ô³íñüêî¿ òåðèòîð³¿, à íàéêðàùå ñòîëèöþ, òî òàì áè íåãàéíî îñ³âñÿ òîé ï"ÿòîêîëîííèé óðÿä ³ áóëà áè "ï"ÿòà êîëîíà âñåðåäèí³", çà Âàøèì âèçíà÷åííÿì. Àëå ô³íè äî òîãî íå äîïóñòèëè, ñàìå ÷åðåç óñï³øí³ â³éñüêîⳠ䳿. Îòæå, â³éñüêî ÷îãîñü-òàêè âàæèòü. Ñêàæèìî, ïî áàëò³éñüêèõ êðà¿íàõ 1940 ðîêó áóëà ïðàêòè÷íî òîòîæíÿ ñèòóàö³ÿ, àëå íå áóëî îïîðó â³éñüêà, òîìó ï"ÿòà êîëîíà ñïîê³éíî â"¿õàëà òóäè íà òàíêàõ îêóïàíòà é ì³öíî îñ³ëàñÿ.

--- Äåùî ïðî äâîì³ëüéîííó àðì³þ. Æîäíà êðà¿íà íå ìîæå óòðèìóâàòè â³éñüêî íà òåðèòîð³¿, íàðîä ÿêî¿ îïèðàºòüñÿ íåñê³í÷åííî äîâãî. Ðàíî ÷è ï³çíî ñïðîòèâ ïðèçâîäèòü äî íåçàëåæíîñò³.

Íåñê³í÷åíî äîâãî îïèðàòèñÿ òî òåæ íå ëåãêî. Çáðîéíèé ñïðîòèâ ïîòðåáóº çáðî¿ ³ ... íàáî¿â (öå ò³ëüêè ïðèêëàä). Äå áðàòè çáðîþ? Êóïóâàòè, áî íà ñàì³ òðîôå¿ íå äóæå-òî ðîçæèâåøñÿ. Çíà÷èòü, ïîñòຠùå îäíà ïðîáëåìà - ô³íàíñóâàííÿ. ßêùî âàñ íå áóäóòü ô³íàíñóâàòè, òî ÷èì áóäåòå îïèðàòèñÿ? Òà é âèñíàæóº ïàðòèçàíêà. Âîðîã ìîæå âäàâàòèñÿ äî äóæå æîðñòêèõ çàõîä³â: â³äñåëåííÿ, åêçåêóö³¿, êàòóâàííÿ, òîùî. Êîðîòøå, çàëÿêóííÿ. Öèâ³ëüíå íàñåëåííÿ ìîæå íå âèòðèìàòè.

--- Àëå, êîëè âèõîâóºòüñÿ ï’ÿòà êîëîíà, êîëè áóòè ïåðåâåðòíåì ñåðåä ñâî¿õ ïñèõîëîã³÷íî êîìôîðòíî, òîä³ óðÿäóâàòè ìîæíà ³ áåç òàíê³â, çà äîïîìîãîþ îäíîãî ÎÌÎÏó.

ßê ÿ âæå çàçíà÷èâ, ÿêèéñü â³äñîòîê çàâæäè áóäå, õî÷áè é çà ãðîø³. ×èì äîâøå òðèâàòèìå ïàíóâàííÿ, òèì á³ëüø³ øàíñè âòðèìàòè éîãî íàäàë³. Õî÷à íàñïðàâä³ òóò äóæå áàãàòî çàëåæèòü â³ä ïîë³òèêè îêóïàíòà.

--- P.S. Âæå â 90-ò³ îäèí ç êàðåëüñüêèõ ïîë³òèê³â íàìàãàâñÿ ðîç³ãðàòè êàðòó ³ñòîðè÷íî¿ íàö³îíàëüíî¿ ðåñïóáë³êè, ùîá âèáîðîòè á³ëüøó àâòîíîì³þ. Ñâî¿ æ êàðåëè íå äîçâîëèëè. Âîíè âæå ñòàëè ðîñ³ÿíàìè êàðåëüñüêîãî ïîõîäæåííÿ.

Ñâÿòà ïðàâäà. Àëå ³äåÿ áóëà íå äóæå ïåðñïåêòèâíîþ: àäæå åòí³÷íèõ êàðåë³â ó Êàðå볿 â³äñòîê³â ç 20, íå á³ëüøå. Çà îô³ö³éíèìè äàíèìè. À ðåøòà âæå äàâíî "ïåðåõðåñòèëèñÿ" íà ðîñ³ÿí. Îòæå, âîíè òàêè "ðîñ³ÿíè êàðåëüñüêîãî ïîõîäæåííÿ", ïðè÷îìó áàãàòî õòî ç íèõ âæå ïðî òå ïîõîäæåííÿ íàâ³òü íå ïàì"ÿòàº.

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