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Date Posted: 08/23/01 16:51:47
Author: palwan
Subject: Re: men nimishqa é dep aldim
In reply to: palwan 's message, "men nimishqa é dep aldim" on 08/23/01 16:41:04

Essallam Tordashlar
Waris Ependi:
(bu yerde men chiqirishqa amalsiz bolghachqa, (ishlitiwatqan mashinamda english international qachilanmighanken.)taq chikitlik(')e,u,o we qosh chikitlik(") e,u,o dep aldim chushengeysiler)
Bu mesile uchun bergen chushenchingizge kop rehmet.yuqarqi chushendurushingizdin melum boldiki hazir 'e we "e larni elishta mundaq ikki mesile bar iken (sewiyem cheklik eger shundaq qarashqa mumkin bolsa).
birinji:tilshunasliq jehettin:"e ni elish tilshunasliqtin eyitqanda toghra bolidiken,lekin 'e dep elish anche toghra emesken.
ikkinjidin:emiliy qollinish jehettin:'e herqandaq sharaitqa mas kelidiken ,lekin "e ni herqandaq sharaitta chiqirish uchun yenila texnika jehettin ozgertish kirguzushke toghra kelidiken yaki amrekida ishlengen eswaplarda normal korinip,dolitimizde ishlengenliride mesile korilidiken.
buningdin koreleymizki aldimizda ikki yol bar biri tilshunasliqni tallash ,yene biri teximu keng kolemde qollinilishini kozlesh.
hemmimizge melumki yeziq tilni xatirileydighan qoral.biz UKY ni deslep shundaq dep turup otturigha chiqarghan.hem buninggha kompyuterda sestima yasimasliq(kirguzish sestimisi)ni qoshqan.del mushilar bizning Uky(uyghur kona yeziqi)we UYY(uyghur yengi yeziqi)tallimasliqimizdiki achquch idi.
undaqta biz oylinip baqayli bularning hemmiside nimini kozde tuttuq ??,biz xelqara transiksiyipidin bashqa yene keng kolemde qollinish mesilisini oylashtuq!!.undaq bolmisa bu nerse yenila UYY dek shallinip qalatti.chunki buni bizning konkirit sharaitimiz belgiligen.(kopinche kishilirimizde dolitimizde ishlengen eswaplar bar,shu birnechche herpni chiqirish uchun ular pul xejlermu???lekin bizning UKY texi eng axirqi birlikni emelge ashurmidi!!!!yene tallash mumkinchiliki bar!!!)
undaqta teximu kop kishilerning qollishigha ,teximu kop eswaplarning qollishigha erishidighini 'e,"u,'o bolidu(bu yerde "u dep elip 'u almasliqtiki sewep bu ikkila terepke ortaq bolghan herp,lekin 'e we 'o bolsa ishletkuchilerge qolay,sestima qollaydighan lekin tilshunaslar anche qollap ketmeydighan herp,lekin "o we "e bolsa sestima qollimaydighan(ozgertmigen sharaitta),tilshunaslar qollaydighan herp).
Xulase:yuqiridiki dellilerdin melumki aldimizda kompyuterda qollinidighan lekin ikki xil tallashqa duch kelgen herpler bar.
1.'e,'o,"u herqandaq kompyuter qollaydu.tilshunaslar qollimaydu.
2."e,"o ozgertish elip barmisa qollimaydu.tilshunaslar qollaydu.
bu mesile kishini oylanduridu.meningche UKY ni shallashqa duch kelmisun disek (bu hazirqi uchur dewridiki eswaplarning shallishi,???(shundaq diyishke mumkin bolsa)),yenila birinji xil yolda mangghinimiz tuzuk,chunki tor we kompyuterda Uky we UYY bu sinaqqa berdashliq berelmigechke biz UKYni tallighan hergiz tilshunasliqtin chiqip bu mesilini oylashmighan iduq.eger tilshunasliqtin chiqsaq Uky putunley ehtiyajdin chiqar idi.
(yuqarqilar peqetla shexsiy pikrim ,herqandaq kishining shexsiyitige tegish niyitim yoq.)
rehmet.
Waqit：2001-08-12.11:24:15　
essallam tordashlar:
yuqarqilarni mundaq ikki xil ehwalgha bölüsh mümkin.
Tallash :
1.é,ó lar sestimigha mas kelidu.tilshunasliqqa anche mas kelmeydu.
2.ë,ö lar özgertmise mas kelmeydu.tilshunaslar qollaydu.
Hel qilish yoli:
1.tilshunaslarni 1-xil tallashqa qayil qilish.
2.xelqimizni 2-xil tallashqa qayil qilish.(ular qayil bolghandin keyin choqum oz sestimilirigha ozgertish elip baridu yaki qollaydighan sestimilarni setiwalidu)

mesilining hel qilish yolidin qarighanda tilshunaslarni qayil qilish eng asan usul,chünki ular izchil bizni qollap keliwatidu.eger buni tallimisaq ,ikkinji xil usulni tallaymiz.bu mundaq üch xil netije elip kelidu:
1.shu birnechche herp üchün kop qisim kishiler sestimisini özgertishi natayin !?buning bilen ular tajisi yoq herplerni qollinidu.yaki özi bilgenche qollinidu.chünki ularning sharaiti yoq yaki özgertishni bilmeydu we yaki bu xil awarichiliqtin baldurraq qutulushni oylaydu.
2.az qisimlar qollishi mümkin chünki ular özgertishni bilidu hem shundaq sharaiti bar.
3.bir mezgillik qollinishtin keyin ,kishiler yene qaytidin munazirini bashlaydu.
chünki ikkinji xil usulning tallinishi bilen jemiyitimizde tengla bölinish shekillengen bolidu.

(yuqarqilar peqetla shexsiy qarishim ,herqandaq kishining shexsiyitige tegish niyitim yoq.)
Palwan
Waqit：2001-08-12.13:45:55　

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