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David
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Date Posted: 22:57:20 09/15/02 Sun
In reply to:
Reuben K.
's message, "Yes, yes, yes ..." on 17:56:21 09/12/02 Thu
Oooh, a flame post… I do so love an open flame. Way to avoid the issue too Reuben, attacking me… not a very effective debating technique though, you lose all credibility.
Apparently, you didn’t read my message. I did delete that crap. Other crap I left because I enjoyed seeing you fume. :) Eh… I could do an overall argument, but I’m feeling lazy so I’ll go point by point.
“When did I say that Lonnie caused Lexie's web site to shut down??? I didn't say that. Did you "read" my message??? Obviously, you didn't. Nice try attempting to paint me as a weirdo, David. Very original (Not!!)”
It was implied in your message.
“Especially since individuals like this freak caused her to shut her web site down and call the cops because she feared for her safety.”
Guess what. There’s freaks all over the place, sort of hard to miss them. Me stopping one loon won’t suddenly deter the others. What makes you think someone can’t join your group, pose like a normal person, and stalk from there? What makes you think they even need your group, or my board to stalk? Hey, if I could have stopped those who threaten women, I would have. All your suggestions, all your efforts only do one thing. Make things difficult. It’ll take a lot more than difficult to stop a stalker.
“Maybe I wouldn't have to worry about seeing those stupid messages if you got off your lazy ass, did your goddamned job and actually deleted that crap. Did you ever think about that?”
Umm… you didn’t have to worry about seeing those messages I deleted… cause… I deleted them. My lazy ass… yeah its lazy… But did you ever think if it weren’t for my lazy ass, we wouldn’t be here? Who got the ball rolling? OPS. Who slept a total of 12 hours in one week learning html so he could build a nice little site celebrating the X Show? Me. Who spent countless hours scouring the internet for bits of info, pics, and the like for that site? Me. Who spent lots and lots of money he didn’t have to buy equipment to make stuff for his site? Me. Who could have started, and did start his own board after OPS’s board’s company went out of business, but used Eric’s cause he wanted others to share in the glory and didn’t want to hog the spotlight? Me. I think you can see where this is going…
”What is this crap about "going on which hunt?" Why is it that you only talk about doing your job when I create my own Yahoo Group, and offer a whacko-free enviorment?”
Are you not on a witch hunt? Before you even knew of Lonnie’s “stalking,” which I personally doubt he could have much success in doing, you despised him. He was your scapegoat, and your ticket to get closer to the models. He was something in common between you and the models. You drove your wedge between Lonnie and them, while getting closer.
Why didn’t I talk about my job… BECAUSE I’M MODEST YOU DICK! At the show, I could have bragged my ass off. And I still have things I could brag about, but I don’t. Ask anyone who was there during my visit, and they’ll tell you the same thing… I never once brought up the fact that I created my site. And when I was introduced as doing so, I shied away from that topic. Besides, who wants the fact that I run things shoved in their face? That was sort of the thing that started the argument that ended Eric’s board.
As for the whacko-free environment… Again, I did it for my amusement. I liked seeing how wound up you would get over his transgressions.
“It's purpose is to spread the word about "The X Show". Nothing more, nothing less. I just thought that (due to recent events) that I'd offer people the option of coming to a message board without having to worry about some sick, depraved fuck watching their every move. If people want it, fine. If they don't, fine. But the option is there.”
Hey, more power to ya. Just let it be known that I wasn’t the one who started with the bad mouthing.
As for someone watching every move… uh… it’s the internet. How safe do you think it is? Again… all you’re doing is making things difficult. Once that hurdle is passed, you’re knee deep in weirdo.
”Moderating a message board is "hard?" Bullshit. It's not. I know this, Lexie knows this, Eric knows this, and other people here who've started their own message boards know this, too. All you need is the will, and everything falls into place. But you don't have that, do you? No, you try to paint anybody who merely suggests that you do what you're supposed to be doing as "obsessive" and "going on a witch hunt" (Where the hell did that come from???)”
Where did I say moderating is hard? Maybe it was that typo… that should have been “heard.” Yeah… I don’t have the will… that’s partly right, but mostly wrong. The thing I didn’t have a will for was putting up with your whining. Almost every single email I got from you was about Lonnie… that’s obsessive. I mean… did you ever think about oh, writing the idiot and getting your frustration out that way? As for will power…Will power is working endlessly on monotonous photo editing and capturing, then loading 50 MEGS!!! of pictures onto the web using a piddly dial up connection.
Lookit, the models are grown women, most with experience dealing with psychos and stalkers. Yes it sucks that people stalk them. If I could stop them, I would. One more time for emphasis: all you’re doing is making things difficult. Difficulties are surmountable. You act like I’m supposed to protect them all
I gotta ask. Do you, Reuben, have much experience with message boards? I ask because you clearly don’t know how to deal with Trolls. You don’t feed the troll. You delete their messages, you ignore them, and you hope they go away. Maybe you can block an ip address, but not on dial up. And hey… there’s freaks on dial up because they know their ip’s can’t be blocked.
”I've seen lots of people that used to come here be harassed, David, and nothing has been done.”
That’s true. I know of a few who won’t come to the board because they don’t want to have one of their messages responded to by you.
“I've witnessed this freak go after a number of X Show models (some which are friends of mine) and be scared away from this board, and, again, nothing has been done.”
Let’s see. How many models posted on my board? One. So, the question must be posed… How did he get a hold of their email addresses? Was it from our posting it here? Was it from John’s posting them on his site? Was it from the models giving them out on the last episode? The last two things were beyond my control. As for our posting that info here, it goes back to just making things more difficult. Maybe the thing I’m leaving out here that needs to be said is this. When crazy people have to work toward something, they’re that much more invested in seeing it through to the end. Yes, some crazy people can’t complete tasks, and in those cases, making things more difficult would help, but they represent a small group within the crazy people population.
“A simple request is all it takes for action to happen? Bullshit. I've been doing that for well over a year, and you've ignored it all. Haven't gotten anybody else to write to you? Maybe that's because they know nothing is going to be done, and they just stop coming here altogether Ever conisder that?”
Again, some people left and only view posts because they don’t want to put up with your crap. And you must not have read my posts. I did take your suggestions for new boards under consideration, however those boards either had bad GUI’s, are now closed, subjected people to pop-up, or spammed their emails, all of which I didn’t want to deal with/ didn’t want anyone else to deal with.
”Spare us all the "I've got a few aces up my sleeve" crap. I'm sick of hearing it. If that was the case, this asshole wouldn't have had free reign here for over a year.”
The aces up my sleeve are not in reference to the things I could do to the people who have wronged, but in reference to you. Here’s ace number one. A lot of the people you cite as friends… they don’t like you. They’re pretty much irritated by you.
“Admit it: You don't give a shit!! If you did, none of this would be happening. If all this stuff isn't that big of a deal, then why don't you, and the people who've responsed to this thread, leave their e-mail addresses the next time you post so that Lonnie can contact you, and talk about his sick fantasies with you? This crap isn't "normal," and anybody suggesting it should have their head checked.”
If I didn’t give a shit, why would I even leave this board up and the site up? Why would I spend precious time doing searches for new stuff when I could be studying? Why would I even bother arguing against you if I didn’t care? I’ll admit it though…there’s one thing I don’t give a shit about, and that’s you.
”Katie was right: Eric did run a better message board.”
Now you’re just outright lying. If you expect me to believe that the person who pretty much brought an end to Eric’s board feels that way, you must be crazy.
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