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Date Posted: 14:04:03 09/08/01 Sat
Author: Trecklar
Author Host/IP: adsl-64-123-145-171.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net / 64.123.145.171
Subject: During meeting Takoth wispered bot to read this
In reply to: Trecklar 's message, "Gb & Mestro... Again" on 10:15:42 09/08/01 Sat

<2:12:20PM System> Takoth~PoL joined the channel

<2:12:38PM kungfoolery> Good bye, GB
<2:13:05PM Takoth~PoL> hail all. if you are here for the meeting , please go to channel pofl
<2:13:09PM Printkem> We are moving to the meeting to channel POFL. Please go there.
<2:13:22PM -GB-> I have every right to be acting the way i am
<2:13:42PM kungfoolery> Crazy the meeting has changed to channel PofL .. see you there?
<2:14:06PM Crazy_Land> k
<2:14:09PM -GB-> bram should be kicked out of PoL for what he did, i may not be a member, but i did not provoke him to do what he did
<2:14:30PM -GB-> i believe the rule is to not be offensive to ANYBODY
<2:14:32PM -GB-> within the guild or not
<2:14:44PM -GB-> what he did was the greatest offense anybody could do to me
<2:14:50PM kungfoolery> GB, as I said before, I was not and am not debating your right to be angry. I am telling you that you do not belong in the channel as you are not a member.
<2:15:19PM kungfoolery> We've tolerated you here for some time now, but we won't tolerate this.
<2:15:33PM -GB-> i dont care
<2:15:49PM -GB-> if bram is getting away with this
<2:15:58PM -GB-> i just lost every last bit of respect i had for pol
<2:16:02PM kungfoolery> I"ve had enough of all of this, and you, today, have proven to me and everyone else that you have not changed. I've had enough.
<2:16:10PM -GB-> not changed?
<2:16:20PM kungfoolery> GB, you are not a member. Your respect for PoL is not an issue. Nor does it matter.
<2:16:33PM System> Mordemeer~POL joined the channel
<2:16:34PM -GB-> it does not matter if i am a member or not
<2:16:47PM Mordemeer~POL> hey guys
<2:16:48PM Takoth~PoL> hail mord, go to channel pofl
<2:16:51PM Mordemeer~POL> no
<2:16:52PM kungfoolery> Picardo, the meeting has changed to channel PofL
<2:16:54PM TO: Mordemeer~POL> meeting in channel pofl
<2:17:02PM -GB-> bram should be ban for what he did
<2:17:02PM Mordemeer~POL> alright
<2:17:19PM -GB-> the rule is not doing anything offensive to ANYBODY
<2:17:24PM -GB-> and like i said
<2:17:27PM kungfoolery> GB, it is not up to you to dictate policy. It is up to us to handle our own members. YOu are not a member.
<2:17:32PM System> Mordemeer~POL left the channel
<2:17:43PM -GB-> i know the rules
<2:17:46PM -GB-> obviously you dont
<2:17:55PM kungfoolery> YOU broke rules. YOU were expelled from PoL. Later, sir.
<2:17:58PM -GB-> and the rule is no offense to anybody, member or not
<2:18:11PM Crazy_Land> this is the bull i was talking about tom
<2:18:27PM -GB-> crazy, you have NO idea what bram did to me
<2:18:27PM Crazy_Land> im sick of people like this
<2:18:35PM kungfoolery> I know, Crazy. That is why GB is not a member any more.
<2:18:36PM Takoth~PoL> If you are here for the POL meeting, go to channel pofl.
<2:18:40PM -GB-> he preformed the most offensive thing ANYBODY could do to me
<2:18:51PM -GB-> !&$% you tom
<2:18:53PM Crazy_Land> ya im going cya there
<2:19:14PM kungfoolery> Others are soon to join him in the great unfriendly world, as they refuse to join the world of good sportsmanship. I'm sorry they're lonely, but it's their own choice
Current Time is -> Sat Sep 08 14:19:26 2001
<2:19:38PM kungfoolery> Thanx, Crazy. See ya in the meeting, ok?
<2:19:40PM -GB-> it has nothing to do with good sportmanship
<2:19:40PM Crazy_Land> yep
<2:19:40PM Takoth~PoL> Go, both of you
<2:19:46PM kungfoolery> Yessir.
<2:19:47PM System> Receiving: The virtual circuit was reset by the remote side executing a "hard" or "abortive" close.
<2:19:49PM System> Reconnecting...

<2:21:06PM Takoth~PoL> We are, regardless of your insight. We watch our own, and we will take the appropriate actions. BUT, you are not unfortunately going to be able to see them.
<2:21:19PM -GB-> takoth, you have no idea what bram did
<2:21:30PM Takoth~PoL> Yes, I do, as I am sitting here looking at the log right now.
<2:22:05PM -GB-> that was much much worse than anything i did
<2:22:57PM Takoth~PoL> Whether that is true or not is immaterial. We will handle this as we see fit and in our way. We have a process, and we follow it, just as we did for you.
<2:23:30PM System> tassadar3413 joined the channel
<2:23:38PM Takoth~PoL> We have the log for that reason, so that we can follow the process, and all conversation are reviewed.
<2:23:43PM tassadar3413> is the meeting over?
<2:23:48PM Takoth~PoL> Hail Tass, please go to channel pofl for the meeting
<2:23:49PM System> ][v][addHatter joined the channel
<2:23:52PM -GB-> man, i thought even you would understand, seems the only ones i have left within the guild are milamber and mestro
<2:23:55PM tassadar3413> ok thanks
<2:23:59PM System> tassadar3413 left the channel
<2:24:01PM Takoth~PoL> hail madd. go to channel pofl
<2:24:08PM ][v][addHatter> k
<2:24:12PM System> ][v][addHatter left the channel
<2:24:15PM Takoth~PoL> actually, since I am sitting in the same room as Milamber, I can tell you that he saw the same thing I did
<2:24:32PM -GB-> then it seems i have lost him too
<2:25:04PM Takoth~PoL> What do you think you lost? You ask us to attack a member before we follow the process?
<2:25:47PM -GB-> i dont care about the process
<2:25:58PM -GB-> you know what he did
<2:25:58PM Takoth~PoL> We didn't do that to you, why should we treat anyone else differently?
<2:26:16PM -GB-> what he did was much worse than what i did
<2:27:00PM Takoth~PoL> And, after the process is taken as is described, appropriate response will be taken. But that is not your concern, it is ours.
<2:27:16PM -GB-> it is my concern
<2:27:24PM -GB-> after all, i am the victim of his actions
<2:27:52PM Takoth~PoL> Your concern should be not getting into these arguments. That is why you are where you are now.
<2:28:15PM -GB-> takoth, i asked if he wanted to go to another channel
<2:28:26PM -GB-> that way we could avoid all of this
<2:28:59PM Takoth~PoL> That is true, the log shows that, and I appreciate it. BUT, when he didn't, you should have left and returned later. That is the proper course of action.
<2:29:02PM -GB-> that way we could avoid me being offended on such a extreme level
<2:29:30PM System> RogueNine joined the channel
<2:29:45PM -GB-> like everybody in PoL seems to say, i am no longer a member, there is no longer a "proper" course of action
<2:30:07PM Takoth~PoL> Has nothing to do with POL, it has to do with personal conduct.
<2:30:24PM System> RogueNine left the channel
<2:30:38PM -GB-> and right after i offered to go to another channel
<2:30:44PM -GB-> he told everybody in the channel what i am
<2:32:36PM -GB-> thats when i started becoming rude and using profanities
<2:32:42PM Takoth~PoL> and at that point, the high moral course of action was just to leave and ignore him.
<2:32:54PM -GB-> leave? after what he did?
<2:33:36PM Takoth~PoL> yes, leave. The difference between wisdom and age is understanding that sometimes, it is better to walk away than to seek retaliation for something you can't retaliate against anyway
<2:34:08PM Takoth~PoL> Notice I didn't say it was easy. But it is wise.
<2:34:49PM -GB-> its people like him that give PoL a bad name
<2:35:32PM Takoth~PoL> If that is true, then we will handle it. I leave that to the Guards, as it is their job. After they evaluate the log, they will recommend a course of action, and that is the process.

<2:35:53PM -GB-> i doubt they will do anything because believing what i truly am isnt easy
<2:35:57PM -GB-> most people laugh
<2:37:23PM Takoth~PoL> Knowing the people on the guards very well personally, I doubt that anything other than the facts will be considered. The log will be the facts.
<2:37:58PM -GB-> so, it is kind of hard to believe that i am not fully human
<2:38:39PM Takoth~PoL> Excuse me for not really understanding, but from the log, I don't see where Bram said "what you were". Just that you weren't human. So, perhaps you would fill me in on what that means?
<2:39:09PM -GB-> i am of an unknown race, similar to humans
<2:39:18PM -GB-> but physically superior, however, not mentally
<2:39:28PM -GB-> very very aggressive
<2:40:02PM -GB-> always a passion for battle, whether it be physical or verbal, it is always hard to back away from it
<2:40:38PM -GB-> the only one who understands is mestro, for reasons i am not going to tell
<2:40:40PM Takoth~PoL> Ah. Well, although that is not what I expected you to say, the fact is that POL's developed policy reguires you to be capable of controlling that.
<2:41:37PM -GB-> the fact that i ended up controlling it as well as i did while in PoL was a big thing for me
<2:42:00PM -GB-> PoL was a big thing in my life simply because it helped me develope control
<2:42:18PM -GB-> btw, did you read in the log where bram actually said if i didnt go see him hes gonna find me
<2:42:21PM -GB-> in other words, stalk me
<2:42:26PM -GB-> if not, i've got screenshots
<2:42:38PM Takoth~PoL> And you did improve. Which is why you were there as long as you were.
<2:43:01PM Takoth~PoL> Yes, that is in the log.
<2:43:07PM -GB-> the log records whispers?
<2:43:20PM Takoth~PoL> Let's just say that as PM, I can see it.
<2:44:06PM Takoth~PoL> PM= Paladin Master btw
<2:44:10PM -GB-> yes, i know
<2:44:18PM -GB-> i may pause because im chatting on MSN as well
<2:44:28PM Takoth~PoL> Wasn't sure if you knew that Wnd had resigned.
<2:44:50PM -GB-> she movin to the west
<2:44:51PM -GB-> where i be
<2:45:04PM Takoth~PoL> I think so.
<2:46:17PM -GB-> although, the fact that bram threatened to stalk me...now i have to live in fear, what fun
<2:46:51PM Takoth~PoL> I don't think you do. I serious doubt Bram is going to take the time to go find you.
<2:47:02PM -GB-> its really not that hard
<2:47:17PM -GB-> the internet is a rather scary thing
<2:47:38PM Takoth~PoL> True. But, finding out where you live, and actually going there are very different.
<2:48:15PM -GB-> still, saying something that extreme
<2:48:27PM -GB-> i already keep weapons on me at all times, now i have reason to carry more
<2:48:51PM Takoth~PoL> Well, be careful not to hurt anyone with them, as I am sure that Bram won't be the one you attack.
<2:49:28PM -GB-> i only hurt if needed
<2:49:35PM -GB-> i can kill if required
<2:49:53PM Takoth~PoL> Then you should be fine. And killing is almost never necessary, I can assure you.
<2:51:20PM -GB-> injuring is what i want to do first
<2:51:24PM -GB-> but some people just dont stop
<2:51:59PM Takoth~PoL> See, that is the first problem. The first step should be to try to prevent the altercation if at all possible. That is where wisdom comes in. If there is no altercation, there is no stop.
Current Time is -> Sat Sep 08 14:52:27 2001
<2:52:33PM -GB-> there is no reason to kill unless it is absolutely required
<2:54:28PM -GB-> btw, i can use all my weapons, i train in many forms of combat
<2:54:32PM -GB-> all hand to hand
<2:54:36PM -GB-> well
<2:54:37PM -GB-> melee rather
<2:55:11PM Takoth~PoL> that is cool. I took several forms of martial arts for about 15 years. It really helped my self-discipline
<2:55:54PM -GB-> i take karate, tae kwon do, kendo, fencing, Kame o Kashein(cant remember how to spell that), Ninjistu and Kick Boxing
<2:55:58PM -GB-> thats about it...
<2:56:45PM Takoth~PoL> Heh, that is quite a bit. I don't think I did more than 1 or 2 at a time. I didn't have that much free time with school on top of that.
<2:57:17PM -GB-> bleh, brb
<2:57:18PM System> -GB- left the channel
<2:58:14PM System> -GB- joined the channel
<2:58:23PM -GB-> back i be
<2:58:31PM Takoth~PoL> so i see
<2:59:12PM Takoth~PoL> i wanted to rhyme with you. like it?
<2:59:17PM -GB-> hehe
<2:59:33PM System> RogueNine joined the channel
<2:59:35PM -GB-> ya
<2:59:40PM Takoth~PoL> hey rogue
<2:59:46PM RogueNine> hail
<3:00:00PM -GB-> btw, Kame o Kashein is a style using 2 small swords for a perfect defense and a very fast offense
<3:00:34PM Takoth~PoL> hmm. never heard of it. where is it from ?
<3:01:10PM System> RogueNine left the channel
<3:01:13PM -GB-> japan
<3:01:21PM -GB-> its an old style
<3:01:27PM -GB-> very very old
<3:01:33PM Takoth~PoL> btw, there is no such thing as a perfect defense. You can make a really good one, but somewhere, someone can get through it.
<3:01:53PM Takoth~PoL> For example, my 50 cal pistol won't care if y ou have three or four swords.
<3:02:16PM -GB-> actually
<3:02:28PM -GB-> include my race's speed, i can simply dodge it ^.^
<3:02:29PM Takoth~PoL> Since it will shoot through a 350 engine block and the car on each side.
<3:03:14PM Takoth~PoL> every week
<3:03:57PM Takoth~PoL> heh, well, you have to move pretty fast to do that, but it can probably be done if you know in advance.
<3:03:57PM -GB-> and my race also has minor psychic abilities, but still arent very bright ^.^
<3:04:06PM Takoth~PoL> LOL You said that, I didn't.
<3:04:25PM -GB-> cant avoid the truth
<3:04:53PM -GB-> we have no need to be as bright as humans, we live about 6x longer than the average human ^.^
<3:04:55PM Takoth~PoL> Since I haven't met you in person, I can not pass an opinion either way.
<3:05:15PM Takoth~PoL> Since most Intenet personas are not necessairily true to life
<3:05:45PM -GB-> *shrugs*
<3:05:51PM System> GanZaga joined the channel

<3:05:58PM Takoth~PoL> Hail ganzaga
<3:06:03PM GanZaga> hi
<3:06:25PM GanZaga> gb, what was bram doin? he was bein a weenie
<3:06:48PM -GB-> nevermind
<3:06:52PM GanZaga> k
<3:07:16PM GanZaga> *w Roguenine hello
<3:07:28PM GanZaga> hmmm, what was /w command replaced with
<3:07:30PM Takoth~PoL> you forgot the /
<3:07:37PM GanZaga> it didnt work that way
<3:07:43PM Takoth~PoL> it would be /m *roguenine hello
<3:07:44PM GanZaga> or did roguenine just leave?
<3:07:51PM GanZaga> o i see
<3:08:08PM -GB-> he just logged back on
<3:08:11PM -GB-> by the looks of it
<3:08:29PM GanZaga> he looks like hes bringin his mule in for some reason or another
<3:08:42PM Takoth~PoL> you might can use the /w command to, but i never do, so i am not sure
<3:08:51PM GanZaga> k
<3:09:28PM GanZaga> do you know when the website will be back up?
<3:09:47PM Takoth~PoL> not for sure. we have some access now, but there are a few problems still we are getting worked out.
<3:10:01PM Takoth~PoL> our server upgraded, and didn't do so very well.
<3:10:03PM GanZaga> so i could log on? i cant remember the game passwords
<3:10:17PM -GB-> i believe takoth can tell you them
<3:10:21PM Takoth~PoL> It depends. Some people can log on, some can't.
<3:10:43PM GanZaga> hes not aloud too, im a legend andd not a full member right now
<3:11:08PM Takoth~PoL> I can since I am the Paladin Master. LOL
<3:11:13PM -GB-> hehe
<3:11:21PM -GB-> i need food...brb
<3:11:33PM GanZaga> lol
<3:12:16PM Takoth~PoL> LOL
<3:17:20PM Takoth~PoL> I am sure it does. GL with the game. Hopefully, the site will be up soon. Do you still have my icq?
<3:18:01PM System> GanZaga left the channel
<3:18:05PM System> Sir_Chovus~PoL~ joined the channel
<3:18:09PM Sir_Chovus~PoL~> Greetings
<3:18:12PM Takoth~PoL> hail sir chovus
<3:20:28PM Takoth~PoL whispers> Hey Treck. Make sure you read this log. It is REALLY interesting.
<3:20:46PM System> tass-pol joined the channel
<3:20:48PM System> WarGod42O joined the channel
<3:20:52PM Sir_Chovus~PoL~> Greetings
<3:20:52PM WarGod42O> Hail all
<3:20:58PM Takoth~PoL> Hail Wargod.
<3:20:58PM WarGod42O> greetings
<3:21:01PM tass-pol> Hi chovus
<3:21:06PM Takoth~PoL> Hail Tass
<3:21:13PM tass-pol> im going to see if anyone else would like to join us
<3:21:29PM System> tass-pol left the channel
<3:21:43PM System> GanZaga joined the channel
<3:21:47PM GanZaga> hmmmmm
<3:21:50PM Sir_Chovus~PoL~> Greetings
<3:21:53PM GanZaga> hello
<3:21:55PM Takoth~PoL> hail ganzaga
<3:22:00PM GanZaga> my isp was playing mindd games again
<3:22:12PM GanZaga> how goes it chov?
<3:22:17PM Takoth~PoL> heh, mine does that about twice an hour I think
<3:22:18PM Sir_Chovus~PoL~> Not bad
<3:22:27PM GanZaga> hmmm, what do you have?
<3:22:38PM System> Crazy_Land joined the channel
<3:22:42PM System> tass-pol joined the channel
<3:22:47PM Sir_Chovus~PoL~> Greetings
<3:22:51PM Takoth~PoL> Adelphia Cable. But they are doing upgrades and the servers keep dropping
<3:22:58PM GanZaga> hey peeps
<3:23:01PM tass-pol> I think Mord is joining us
<3:23:08PM Sir_Chovus~PoL~> Alright
<3:23:18PM WarGod42O> can someone make a 1x so i can mule plz
<3:23:36PM Sir_Chovus~PoL~> We going there Tass?
<3:23:44PM GanZaga> hmmm, well if i were you id go to www.verizon.com, there is something there where you can find if you are able to get their DSL service or not, which is VERY VERY VERY NICE
<3:23:52PM tass-pol> Were waiting for mord.
<3:24:08PM Takoth~PoL> I can't. I am 8000 feet to far from the central office I am served from, and they won't move me to the closer one.
<3:24:24PM GanZaga> doh, thats no good
<3:24:38PM WarGod42O> can someone make a game to mule please
<3:24:41PM Takoth~PoL> Tell me about it. Milamber lives a mile from me, and has it. It is a lot more stable.
<3:24:56PM GanZaga> yea shure you can mule in my game
<3:25:02PM GanZaga> i was gonna be solo in there anyway
<3:25:02PM WarGod42O> k thanxs man
<3:25:10PM GanZaga> ganz/pofl when u r ready
<3:25:13PM tass-pol> i guess no one else is going to come :(
<3:25:15PM WarGod42O> k
<3:25:25PM System> GanZaga left the channel
<3:25:31PM WarGod42O> rdy
<3:25:32PM System> Crazy_Land left the channel
<3:25:37PM System> WarGod42O left the channel
<3:25:44PM tass-pol> ok
<3:25:50PM tass-pol> im making 1x now
<3:25:53PM Sir_Chovus~PoL~> alright
<3:28:16PM System> Ice_Bahamut joined the channel
<3:28:32PM Ice_Bahamut> hey
<3:28:39PM Takoth~PoL> hey ice.
<3:28:43PM Ice_Bahamut> how come
<3:28:45PM Ice_Bahamut> u didnt go to meeting
<3:29:15PM Takoth~PoL> i stayed here to help direct folks to the meeting channel. i am in the same room with Milamber, so I knew what was going on.
<3:29:30PM Ice_Bahamut> oh ok
<3:29:54PM TO: Takoth~PoL> og will be posted soon on security forum :)
<3:30:08PM Takoth~PoL whispers> ok, thanks.

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