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Date Posted: 08:02:11 03/01/00 Wed
Author: Father Lucifer With References And Opinions
Subject: Re: You can't be Gay and be a Christian, you stupid Bible illiterate HOMO!
In reply to: People 's message, "Re: You can't be Gay and be a Christian, you stupid Bible illiterate HOMO!" on 17:12:18 02/22/00 Tue

"There are no homosexuals in the Bible. Ruth and Naomi were not lesbians. David and Jonathan weren't gay (Important Interruption: Heh heh). Neither were Jesus and John, the men of Sodom, cult prostitutes, slave boys and their masters, nor call boys and their customers. The Bible is an empty closet."

"The issues about Homosexuality are very complex and are not
understood by most members of the Christian Church, to them,
it is a vile form of sexual perversion condemned in both the Old and New Testaments. This is wrong. There is nothing in the Old Testament that corresponds to Homosexuality as we understand it today. There is no text on homosexual orientation in the Bible. Biblical judgments against Homosexuality are not relevant to today's debate. They should no longer be used...not because the Bible is not authoritative, but simply because it does not address the issues involved. No single New Testament author considers Homosexuality important enough to write his own sentence
about it. Homosexuality can be discussed at all only in the framework of that freedom which is given to us by the insight that even the New Testament does not provide us with an evident, normative dictum with regard to this question. Even the kind of question which we have arrived at...must for purely historical reasons be alien to the
New Testament. Ideas and understandings of sexuality have changed greatly over the centuries. People in biblical times did not share our knowledge of customs of sexuality; we do not share their experience. In those days there was no romantic dating as we know it today; marriages were arranged by fathers. The ancients, as MlT's David Halperin notes: "conceived of 'sexuality' in non-sexual terms: What was fundamental to their experience of sex was not anything -we- would regard as essentially sexual: rather, it was something essentially social -namely, the modality of power relations that informed and structured the sexual act." In the ancient world, sex was "not intrinsically relational or collaborative in character; it is, further, a deeply polarizing experience: It serves to divide, to classify, and to distribute its participants into distinct and radically dissimilar categories. Sex possesses this valence, apparently because it is conceived to center essentially on, and to define itself around, an
asymmetrical gesture, that of the penetration of the body of one person by the body, and, specifically, by the phallus of another. The proper targets of a citizen's sexual desire include, specifically, women, boys, foreigners, and slaves --- all of them persons who do not
enjoy the same legal and political rights and privileges that he does." In studies of sex in history, Stanford classics professor John Winkler warns against "reading contemporary concerns and politics into texts and artifacts removed from their social context." This, of course, is a basic principle of biblical hermeneutics. In spite of
all of this, some preachers continue to use certain Bible verses to clobber lesbians and gay men today."
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Bwaahahaha, yes, I think that actually made sense since it didn't come from me!!

REPENT!!
Listen more closely to your God!!!

S I N N E R S!!!!


Peace, love, best wishes, and Mr. Phips Pretzel Chips,

Lucy

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