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Date Posted: 05:19:24 10/28/03 Tue
Author: brian kauffman
Subject: after reading issue 3

I find much of this writing on Narrative here interesting, but some of the ideations are becoming hackneyed at this point (for instance, Bellamy's opining on shock lit and pop assimilations). I have to agree with Bok's assessment of the ultimate literary worth (and taste) of many of the Oulip(i)an end-products...even though it feels like giddy fun when it's liberating us...to what end if the penchant is ultimately for received forms/taste or taming stochastic products into regulated modes of meaning-production? More of the "post-interesting," to quote a very well-spoken novelist? I also find the bitchiness of many of the writers tiring....so threatened by mainstream writers b/c of their "success" and audience appreciation....knocking the writers, knocking the audience(s)...the poor benighted audiences who so clearly WOULD want the much hipper hominy these writers are purveying....if ONLY they could be segregated into force-feeding pens in intellectual concentration camps for at least four or preferably eight years...preferably in california....and most tiring of all is the obsessive-compulsive allusions to "revolutions" (the ultimate tiresomeness of the avant-garde anywhere) these blindingly new embodiments of fiction will bring us...why don't they just admit they're after newer/rarer forms of textual pleasure...it's as simple as that, isn't it? ("pomo-lit is a badly aimed pomo-doro"--ghost of jack spicer on venice beach boardwalk, aug. 17, 2003) But maybe the books by some of these galling people--i HAVE enjoyed books by gluck, bellamy & killian among others here--are more interesting than their byzantine, cappuccino-scented theories...which are sometimes enlivening....if nothing else, these essays are rich in the anecdotal and the references to works worth seeking out...and some of these writers (thank bog) are painfully honest about how writing mystifies them...like renee gladman.....there one gets a sense of how the author stays interested...one more infinite game in life...if we only had the finite ones, suicide would undoubtedly be more common than it is among the "writing classes"...and i guess we all know their curse--regrettably "it ain't drink"--if we've read this issue...

xoxo brian

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