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Date Posted: 04:43:18 08/02/02 Fri
Author: Rev. Jack Howell
Author Host/IP: 68.12.221.220
Subject: Re: but jack, right here you say that God has a physical body
In reply to: SAK-47 's message, "but jack, right here you say that God has a physical body" on 21:59:15 08/01/02 Thu

Do you not think a body of spirit matter can be physical? That is, tangible, able to be seen, touched, etc.? Scripture is repleat with such examples as given in the very post you copied and pasted, so why not go back to those scriptures instead of dishonestly trying to take what I said OUT OF CONTEXT and deliberately trying to misapply what I said?

Now, if you were half as informed as you think you are, you would know that the Mormons teach that God is actually a glorified man, hence their view that He has a body of flesh and blood. In fact, according to Brigham Young, God is actually none other than Adam. When Christians speak of God having a pysical body, we do nt mean that He has a body of flesh and blood. Rather, we mean He has a physical form. He is NOT some shapeless, gaseous cloud floating around in the heavens. He has a tangible form consisting of Spirit matter rather than flesh.

If God did not mean all He said about Himself in over 20,000 scriptures, then why did He say such things? They certainly do not add to a true understanding of Him if the passages do not mean what they say. Furthermore, why would God, in hundreds of places, refer to Himself as having physical parts, soul passions, and spirit faculties if He does not have them? Would it be necessary for Him to tell us He has such in order to reveal that He does not have them? Would He not be more likely to say in plain language that He does not have eyes, hands, mouth, ears, and other physical members?
It is logical not to question the plain, simple statements of Scripture about God and His body; it is logical to understand them in the same literal way that we understand like statements about angels, men, and other beings. We have no Biblical authority to do otherwise. Romans 1:20 alone proves this.
The truth is that God has revealed Himself to be seen by the natural eyes of men repeatedly, and Biblical writers have given a clear record concerning what He is like. The many personal descriptions of God's body and thousands of plain declarations regarding His soul passions and spirit attributes should not be denied or interpreted contrary to what is written; they should be believed in all simplicity. The constant rejection of revealed facts about God certainly will not give us a true understanding of Him. To acknowledge them as truth will not make God any less glorious, powerful, or great than He really is. God can be like man in physical form and still be as magnificent as we have always thought Him to be. He can have a spirit-substance body and still be like man in size and shape; and He can have passions, feelings, desires, intelligence and will-power without being confined to man's limitation and sinfulness. Truly He is not only all that men, angels, and other beings are in this respect, but infinitely greater in everything; and man in reality is simply a miniature of God in attributes and powers.
He has appeared to many as a person�to Adam and Eve (Genesis 2:7,19-22); Cain (Genesis 4:6,9,16); Abraham (Genesis 17:1-22; Genesis 18:1,22; Genesis 19:1); Isaac (Genesis 26:2-4,24); Jacob (Genesis 28:12-15; Genesis 32:24-32; Genesis 35:1); Moses (Exodus 3:1-4; Exodus 24:12-18; Exodus 33:9-11); Joshua (Joshua 5:13-15); Samuel (1 Samuel 3:10,21); Elijah (1 Kings 19:11-18); David (1 Chron. 21:16-17; 2 Chron. 3:1); Isaiah (Isaiah 6); and others. See Forty-four Appearances of God.
Sixty-three Facts about God:
1. He is a person (Job 13:8; Hebrews 1:3).
2. He has a spirit body (Daniel 7:9-14; Daniel 10:5-19; Isaiah 6; Ezekiel 1; Rev. 4).
3. Shape (John 5:37)
4. Form (Phil. 2:5-7)
5. Image and likeness (Genesis 1:26; Genesis 9:6; 1 Cor. 11:7; James 3:9)
6. Back parts (Exodus 33:23)
7. Heart (Genesis 6:6; Genesis 8:21)
8. Hands (Psalm 102:25-26; Hebrews 1:10)
9. Fingers (Psalm 8:3-6; Exodus 31:18)
10. Right hand (Rev. 5:1-7)
11. Mouth (Numbers 12:8; Isaiah 1:20)
12. Lips (Isaiah 11:4; Isaiah 30:27)
13. Tongue (Isaiah 30:27)
14. Feet (Exodus 24:10; Ezekiel 1:27)
15. Eyes (Psalm 11:4; Psalm 18:24; Psalm 33:18)
16. Ears (Psalm 18:6; Psalm 34:15)
17. Head (Daniel 7:9)
18. Hair (Daniel 7:9)
19. Arms (Psalm 44:3; John 12:38)
20. Loins (Ezekiel 1:26-28; Ezekiel 8:1-4)
21. Voice (Psalm 29; Rev. 10:3-4)
22. Breath (Genesis 2:7)
23. Countenance (Psalm 11:7)
24. Soul (Matthew 12:18; Hebrews 10:38)
25. Soul passions, as grief (Genesis 6:6)
26. Anger (1 Kings 11:9)
27. Repentance (Genesis 6:6)
28. Jealousy (Exodus 20:5; Exodus 34:14)
29. Hate (Proverbs 6:16)
30. Love (John 3:16)
31. Pity (Psalm 103:13)
32. Fellowship (1 John 1:1-7)
33. Pleasure and delight (Psalm 147:10)
34. Joy (Neh. 8:10; Galatians 5:22)
35. Peace (Galatians 5:22)
36. Longsuffering (Galatians 5:22)
37. Gentleness (Galatians 5:22)
38. Goodness (Galatians 5:22)
39. Faith (Galatians 5:22)
40. Meekness (Galatians 5:23)
41. Self-control (Galatians 5:23)
42. Spirit (Psalm 143:10; Isaiah 30:1)
43. Spirit faculties, as mind (Romans 11:34)
44. Intelligence (Genesis 1:26; Romans 11:33)
45. Will (Romans 8:27; Romans 9:19)
46. Power (Ephes. 1:19; Ephes. 3:7,20; Hebrews 1:3)
47. Truth (Psalm 91:4)
48. Faith (Romans 4:17; Romans 12:3)
49. Hope (1 Cor. 13:13)
50. Righteousness (Psalm 45:4)
51. Faithfulness (1 Cor. 10:13)
52. Knowledge (Isaiah 11:2)
53. Wisdom (1 Tim. 1:17)
54. Discernment (Hebrews 4:12)
55. Immutability (Hebrews 6:17)
56. He wears clothes (Daniel 7:9-14)
57. Eats food (Genesis 18:1-8; Exodus 24:11)
58. Rests (Genesis 2:1-4; Hebrews 4:4)
59. Dwells in a city (John 14:1-3)
60. Sits on a throne (Isaiah 6; Daniel 7:9-11)
61. Walks (Genesis 3:8; Genesis 18:1-8,22,33)
62. Rides (Psalm 18:10; Psalm 68:17; Ezekiel 1)
63. Manifests other powers and physical presence like other beings
Is it not as easy to believe what the Bible says about God as to believe what it does not say? If God had said one time that He did not have physical parts, soul passions, and spirit faculties as we know them, then the subject would be closed. But when He repeatedly uses physical parts and ordinary soul and spirit faculties to reveal Himself, then we should believe what He says about Himself. If we refuse to do so, we are guilty of unbelief.

Note: the above is taken from the Dake's Annotated Reference Bible, Dake Study Notes, subject: Anthropomophism.

Your attempt to make a connection between what I said about God having physical form and what the Mormons teach is DISHONEST at worst, and UNINFORMED and IGNORANT at best. Perhaps you should have taken the time to read the ENTIRE post you copied and pasted, instead of taking a segement OUT OF CONTEXT to misuse.

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