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THE SALVATION OF CHILDREN -- Rodger Tutt (http://www.tentmaker.org), 15:53:55 11/15/08 Sat

Evangelicals are divided in their opinion about the fate of children who die.

Calvinists, who believe in God’s sovereign election of the “few”, also believe that non-elect babies who die will spend eternity suffering in hell. John Calvin said, “there are babies a span long in hell”.

Arminians (free willers) consider this unfair, and assert that children who die will spend eternity in heavenly bliss. This of course is true, but not because the child is innocent. It’s true because the Scriptures teach that God intends to save everyone from everything that they need to be saved from.

A few years ago there was a story in a Montreal paper about an Ohio lady who drowned her baby in the bathtub. Her defense was that she loved the baby so much that she wanted to make sure that her child would not have to suffer forever in hell. After serving a sentence she remarried, had another child and drowned it for the same reason. She trusted that God would forgive her because her intention, though warped by false theology, was for the good of her children.

The jury decided that she was mentally ill, BUT WAS SHE? The simple pragmatic fact remains that her two infants (according to Arminian theology) will spend eternity in heavenly bliss because she loved them so much that she insured, by killing them, that this will be so.

[b]Arminian Christians (free willers) believe that there is a magical split-second in time before which a child, if they die, will go to heaven, and after which, if they die will spend eternity suffering in hell. They call this “the age of accountability”.[/b]

If I believed this nonsense I might take a gun into the largest maternity ward in Toronto and before the police arrived, kill every infant who had just been born. This would cause an enormous amount of suffering to the parents, but this wouldn’t matter much in the long run, because probably most of them (according to evangelical theology) are destined to suffer forever in hell anyway, so why not save their babies from the same fate?

Don’t try to argue that what I would be doing would be wrong [color="#FF0000"]*[b][/b][/color] (Thou Shalt Not Kill). The fact remains that my act would, in fact insure the babies’ eternal salvation. If Arminian Christians are right, then infanticide would certainly be one of the most effective ways of “saving souls”. Besides, God forgives murder, especially when it is done for such a noble, though misguided cause. Sure, they would lock me away in an institution, but I would spend my life reveling in the glow of the emotional high of knowing that I had, beyond any shadow of a doubt (even in the mind of Arminian Christians) guaranteed the salvation of the babies that I had killed.

Folks, the actual truth about the matter is much more sane and blessed. The Scriptures teach that salvation is all of the Lord, and He will not fail to save everyone of us according to His own timing. No one will be able to boast in His presence and say “I have saved my self from eternal hell by exercising my faith in God’s provision.” God will get all of the glory for everyone’s salvation.

The important issue never should be “what is right or what is wrong”. The only really important issue is, “What is God going to do with the person who is wrong? !” The Scriptures teach that God will fit everyone of us into His master-plan in a positive way, and He will use our temporary involvement with sin to teach us the lessons that He wants us to learn. As my 96 year old Dad often says, “That’s what makes Him God!”

(Afterthought) - If abortionists are, for all practical purposes, among the most effective “soul-savers” in the world, why do Arminian evangelicals get so upset with them?!

[color="#FF0000"]*[/color][b][/b] Evangelicals kills others in war for less worthy causes than trying to save their souls.

THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD SERIES (Google it up) or
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm


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If you can’t love a god who lets anyone suffer forever -- Rodger Tutt (http://www.tentmaker.org), 15:49:24 04/21/08 Mon

If you cannot love a god who would let anyone suffer forever, you can copy and paste (if necessary) the following urls into the address bar and find out that a literally (not interpretively) translated Bible actually teaches universal salvation, not even annihilation.

THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD

If necessary, copy and paste the following url into the address bar.

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm

At the top and bottom of that same THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD page, there is the following link to fourteen other writings in the same series that are related to this same subject.

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm


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HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE by James Coram -- Rodger Tutt (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/), 06:19:00 11/13/07 Tue

HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE by James Coram

The introduction at the beginning of each chapter is not the chapter itself. You must click on the highlighted title of each chapter to bring up the entire chapter to read it. Each chapter is quite long and comprehensive.

The “danger” in preaching the truth resides only in the imagination of the person who doesn’t understand the truth.

The online book “HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE” by James Coram needs no defense. It stands on its own merit.
It has helped many people. It will help many more.

Most comments and questions regarding this book are responded to within the writing itself, for example, “WHAT ARE CORRECT TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE?”

A frequent response to first learning about the existence of this book is,
“You believe the words of men, but we believe the Bible.”
But the actual reading of, “HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE” by James Coram will prove to all readers that JUST THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE.

IMHO, "HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE" by James Coram is the most powerful of all of the dozens of books that I have read, the hundreds of tapes that I have listened to, and the many online articles that I have read that show that a correctly, (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches universal salvation, not eternal torment, or even annihilation. (I am 69 years old)

In fact, to me it is so powerful that it renders all arguments to the contrary completely irrelevant to the truth that it proves that, by the time God’s plan for the ages of time has been consummated, the universal salvation of all sinful creatures from everything from which they need to be saved, most certainly, will have occurred.

It can be read in its entirety online at http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html

Or, it can be Googled up by typing in HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE

It has seventeen chapters, each chapter having its own highlighted heading followed by a short introduction.
Just click on the highlighted heading and the entire text of that chapter will appear.

Since I have read many writings, the sum total of which probably contain every argument in existence in support of the idea that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation, I am confident that if anyone were to read "HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE" in it's entirety, they would change their mind about their belief that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation.

However, as a friend recently reminded me, one must be disposed of the Ultimate Placer to receive any revelation; it’s all about Sovereign causes & effects. Or as Ralph Waldo Emerson put it, “People only see what they are prepared to see”

From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada
“That God may be All in all” 1Cor.15:28

Write to me personally at rodgertutt@sympatico.ca

My website is http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/


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Without God’s sustaining power -- Rodger Tutt (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/), 06:13:26 11/13/07 Tue

Without God’s sustaining power everyone would cease to exist.
So if anyone were to suffer forever, our all-powerful God would be fully 100% responsible for it.

Thank God the Bible does not teach such an insane idea!

For anyone who cannot love an endless-hell god.
BIBLICAL CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALIST RESOURSES

If necessary, copy and paste the following url into the address bar

http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html

You can Google them up at

Christian-Universalism.com ~ Biblical Christian Universalism

Also see

Information, and frequently asked questions in support of a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaching universal salvation,

http://www.tentmaker.org/bloglinks.htm

http://www.tentmaker.org/sitemap.html

copy and paste into address bar if necessary

and they will learn that the Bible actually teaches universal salvation instead, not even annihilation.

Or, they will go to the search engine at the top of http://www.tentmaker.org and will type in a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture passage. Ten articles will come up refuting the claim that the Bible teaches eternal torment. Then they may click to the next page and ten more articles will come up, and so on and so on for many pages.

The many entries in my guestbook that is accessed towards the bottom of my front page

at http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/

and the many entries at http://www.tentmaker.org/visitorcomments.htm
show just how much this information is helping people.

This was the information that enabled me to recover from a twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-68), and it gives me great joy to keep learning every day that it is helping more and more other people too!! I’m 69
I am also going to guide you to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. Only he is much more eloquent in telling his story than I am in telling mine. His name is Charles Slagle.
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html


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[> A phone conversation with a Muslim missionary -- Rodger Tutt (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/), 06:15:04 11/13/07 Tue

A Muslim missionary called me on my ministry phone in response to my newspaper ad “HELL IS NOT ENDLESS.”
(I have sent out many hundreds of packets of literature to people who responded to these ads that I have put in two of Toronto’s largest newspapers since 1981.)

The Muslim missionary said “Unless you convert to Islam you WILL suffer forever in hell.”

I said, “That’s what some Christians say if I don’t convert to Christianity.”

He said, “But the difference is that Islam has the truth.”

I said, “That’s what some Christians say about their beliefs.”

He said, “After you die you will learn that the Koran is the word of God and Islam has the truth.”

I said, “I guess I’ll just have to wait until then to find out for sure.”

He said, “But it will be too late for you then.”

I laughed and said, “That’s exactly what some Christians say.”

I don’t think he thought it was funny.

I then expected him to say what a Mormon missionary said to me in Montreal. “At the judgment, as you are being cast into hell, I will point my finger at you and say, ‘I told you so. I gave you a chance but you didn’t take it and now it’s too late’.”

It seems that we are supposed to believe that millions of Muslims, by sheer “accident” of birth, are born into a belief system that teaches their children that even to consider Christianity to be the truth will land them in an eternity of suffering in hell.

I believe that the horrific false doctrine of endless suffering in hell causes more suffering here on earth than any other idea that people believe. That is why it gives me such great pleasure to offer people the urls that contain irrefutable evidence that the Bible does not support such a concept of God.

Just Google up TENTMAKER and use the search engine at the top of the front page. Type in a key word from any argument or Bible verse and ten article will appear refuting the idea that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation. Then click to the next page and ten more articles will appear, and so on and so on for many pages.


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[> [> Thousands of Muslims going to "hell" every day ........... -- Rodger Tutt (http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/), 06:16:36 11/13/07 Tue

through no fault of their own because they are taught at an early age to reject Christ as their Saviour, demonstrates the absurdity of the eternal torment theology. The STRONGEST influence in their life is to trust in Muhammad, the Koran, and Allah, and the STRONGEST influence ALWAYS prevails. But since Jesus Christ, in the long run, is really the STRONGEST influence, all Muslims will be saved along with all other fallen creatures.

The Bible teaches universal salvation.

HERE’S WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN NOW

Based on my experience of posting on hundreds of forums, here's what's going to happen now

WHY I BELIEVE THE BIBLE TEACHES UNIVERSAL SALVATION

The people who want to keep believing that the Bible proves that everyone deserves to suffer forever in hell just because they were born into this world, or because they don’t make the “right” choice before it’s “too late,” or that God created beings with a will so strong that they can irreversibly choose themselves into a state of eternal torment - these people will keep believing it because they want to.

But people who want to believe that the Bible nowhere supports such a concept of God will examine the evidence contained in HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE at http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html

And also here
Information, and frequently asked questions in support of a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaching universal salvation,

http://www.tentmaker.org/bloglinks.htm

http://www.tentmaker.org/sitemap.html

http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html

copy and paste into address bar if necessary

and they will learn that the Bible actually teaches universal salvation instead, not even annihilation.

Or, they will go to the search engine at the top of http://www.tentmaker.org and will type in a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture passage. Ten articles will come up refuting the claim that the Bible teaches eternal torment. Then they may click to the next page and ten more articles will come up, and so on and so on for many pages.

The many entries in my guestbook that is accessed towards the bottom of my front page

at http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/

and the many entries at http://www.tentmaker.org/visitorcomments.htm
show just how much this information is helping people.

This was the information that enabled me to recover from a twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-68), and it gives me great joy to keep learning every day that it is helping more and more other people too!! I’m 69

I am also going to guide you to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. Only he is much more eloquent in telling his story than I am in telling mine. His name is Charles Slagle.
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html


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Art For Christians, Art Is Truth -- Longfellow Isacat (First the needle, then the eye.), 12:57:13 10/18/07 Thu

Needs of the mind and needs of the eye.


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ARE THEY REALLY CHRISTIANS? -- QUITTNER, 11:57:35 10/17/07 Wed

There are very many versions of what still is called "Christianity". The only version authorized by Jesus is his FIRST version; all others that call themselves "Christian" are FALSE RELIGIONS.
..... Only those who follow Jesus at all times are Christians; no others


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ARE YOU REALLY A CHRISTIAN? -- Pahu, 12:43:35 09/13/07 Thu


ARE YOU REALLY A CHRISTIAN?


Ø Not every one who says to Jesus, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but those who do the will of His Father in heaven. Many will say to Him, “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name and in your name cast out devils and in your name done many wonderful works?” And then He will profess to them, “I never knew you: depart from me, you who practice lawlessness. (Mt. 7:21-23).

Ø People honor Jesus with their lips, but their hearts are far from Him (Mk. 7:6).

Ø They worship Him in vain, teaching for doctrine men’s rules (Mk. 7:7).

Ø And exchanging His Ten Commandment Law for men’s traditions (Mk. 7:8).

Ø Resisting sound doctrine to suit their own desires, they gather to themselves many teachers who will say what their itching ears want to hear (2 Tim. 4:3).

Ø Turning their ears away from the truth, they embrace myths (2 Tim. 4:4).

Ø “And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them” (Rom. 1:28-30).

Ø They have a form of godliness, but deny its power, and we should have nothing to do with them (2 Tim. 3:5).

Ø They are blind guides, and when the blind lead the blind, they all fall into the pit (Mt. 15:14).

Ø For there is a way that seems right but ends in death (Pr. 14:12; 16:25).

Ø And nearly everyone is going that way (Mt. 7:13).

Ø For the whole world is deceived (Rev. 12:9).

Ø Except the elect (Mt. 24:24).

Ø But those who would enter eternal life must obey all ten of His Commandments (Mt. 19:17).

Ø For it we disobey just one Commandment, we are lawbreakers and therefore sinners (Jas. 2:10).

Ø For sin is the transgression of His Ten Commandment Law (1 Jhn. 3:4).

Ø And the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ, our Lord as well as our Savior (Rom. 6:23).

Ø For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life (Jhn. 3:16).

Ø And Christ is the resurrection and the life, and everyone who believes in Him will receive everlasting life (Jhn. 11:25).

Ø If they obey Him (Jhn. 3:36 NASB).

Ø For if we will repent (and be baptized) in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins, His Heavenly Father will forgive us and give us the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

Ø And unless we have the Spirit of Christ, we do not belong to Him—and we are not Christians (Rom. 8:9).

Ø And therefore we remain unredeemed sinners—and lost (Rom. 3:23).

Ø We must repent or perish (Lk. 13:3,5).

Ø And God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should repent (2 Pet. 3:9).

Ø And every Christian does repent continually for the forgiveness of his sins, in the name of Jesus Christ, our Lord as well as our Savior (1 Jhn. 1:9).

Ø And obeys all ten of His Commandments, and remains faithful to Him (Rev. 12:17; 14:12).

Ø Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, our Lord as well as our Savior (Rom. 8:1).

Ø If they obey Him (Heb. 5:9)

[From “Reincarnation in the Bible?” http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-12387-2]


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[> ARE THEY REALLY CHRISTIAN?S -- QUITTNER, 12:02:28 10/17/07 Wed

There are very many versions of what still is called "Christianity". The only version authorized by Jesus is his FIRST version; all others that call themselves "Christian" are FALSE RELIGIONS.
..... Only those who follow Jesus at all times are Christians; no others


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for Bible believers who cannot love an endless-hell god -- Rodger Tutt, 11:14:23 08/23/07 Thu

BIBLICAL CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALIST RESOURSES

Copy and paste the following url into the address bar

http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html


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important end times info -- aurora, 19:31:14 02/09/07 Fri

The hourglass is nearly empty. The culmination of End Times is upon us and the Great Tribulation is just around the corner. There are a total of TWO things that you need in order to obtain Eternal Life and Man-Made Religion is not one of them. (1) A Good Heart Condition. (2) An Acceptance of Christ as Lord and Savior. We urge those who wish to obtain Eternal Life in Christ's Kingdom to read the following very important message: An Important End Times Message

For additional End Times information also visit: End Times Truths Revealed

And for Free End Times Newsletters visit: : Free End Times Newsletter Storefront

We don’t aim to twist arms or convince anyone of anything they aren’t ready or willing to believe as their hearts will ultimately dictate what they perceive to be truth. However, it is also our responsibility to warn those who do not accept this Truth, will face Judgment at Armageddon. For this reason we pray that the eyes and hearts of all who read our message are opened to the Truth whether that is now, or in the near future when our words come to pass.


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