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Date Posted: 18/10/14 11:27pm
Author: Steve
Author Host/IP: 110.175.43.5
Subject: Re: On exposed form - no. Potential - yes
In reply to: MB 's message, "On exposed form - no. Potential - yes" on 17/10/14 2:23pm

Killing their next generation like the last 'rebuild' (Reiwoldt/Kosi years).

Pelchen is going on 'his' model Hawthorn. Difference being, there's no Crawford, Vandenberg, Hodge, Mitchell types that will have been through the long climb to the top and showing the Franklin, Roughead, Lewis types coming after them what's expected of them.

Or kicking out the dickheads (hello Everitt) as soon as your able when a new coach with a hardarse demanding style like Clarkson comes along.

I'm no great fan of McEvoy and reckon we paid way overs for him. We should have kept our first round pick and not swapped it the four or five higher places that Saints wanted and got. McEvoy needs to improve way more to justify the pick. One thing in his favour his four/five years as a senior player and from reports. Real level headed and decent young bloke. We tried all 2013 to get Garlett (on the quiet) to turn his head around and become the footballer virtually everyone thought he could be if he applied himself. Stuffed that up big time. Ben Brown was rumoured to be the other pick we were going to take around then in Garlett had been gambled on by some other recruiter. Saints age gap is all out of wack. Need to get some leadership in the 24-28 age bracket and not just stock up on talented but untested kids. Other clubs will poach them. That's how footy works now. My club is proof positive and Sydney were doing it before us.

Geelong, made some great recruiting decisions. Taylor, Enright, Corey etc with 2nd or 3rd round drafts and their early picks like Selwood they mostly nailed. Plus their unbelievable Father/Son selections. If Ablett jnr had stayed... Doesn't bear thinking about. Especially if Ablett snr had stayed at Hawthorn.

But their recent love of selecting blokes Stanley's height is strange. They are so bloody tall now and when at their peak, it was built around 6'2ers and a couple of outstanding defensive K/P pairs and spread of goal kickers up front.

Now, McIntosh, Simpson, Brown, Hawkins, Clark, Lonergan, Walker, Vardy, Blicavs and Stanley all stand 196 cm or taller. One quarter of the list above what used to be ruckman height. I hope there is plenty of rain for their home games down Kardina way. Just add mid-sized runners to the team that plays them and use handball and chip kicking around the ground to keep the leather off them. Add that Selwood aside, their midfield is older than most and that backline isn't what it was. The over reliance on Hawkins as their only proven go-to forward.

It's been called for awhile and Scott's remarks about being pleased or satisfied or whatever it was when we beat them two weeks out of the finals is looking more and more a denial of what's starting to happen to the great side he inherited. That they've been up the top end a long long time and unlike us, haven't rebuilt to anywhere near the same extent either through bad luck (Campbell, Croad both careers cut short through injury. Geelong did lose a good one in Egan I admit).

Retirements, we lost Crawford, Dew, Ladson, Osborne, Bateman. Virtually all our running brigade. Selwood, Bartel, Stokes, Kelly, Johnson, Corey and Varcoe were all still there until the end of this season. Their retirements are Scarlett, Harley, Rooke, Mooney, Ottens and Blake.

Poached, arguably the best player in the game in Ablett jnr and the most dangerous in the game in Franklin.

Traded, Williams, Renouf* proof how over-rated ruckmen are when he and Aaron Keating are Premiership players, Gilham, Brown, Ellis and Young. Geelong, Hunt and Chapman.

They've relied on their core group a lot longer than Hawthorn has from the time of the 2008 GF. Maybe that's why they kept beating us in H&A games. The wins we have in the ones "when it counts" have been mostly true. Except they beat us fairly comfortably in the 2011 QF. In 2012 they beat us by two points twice. The times we've met since then. We've dominated the game at times but let them back into it for reasons that are simple, we chocked. They had us in the mind. It took for our smoothest player, Burgoyne (another trade to bring in class and run) to finally nail a shot late in a game that we'd had far more footy than they had, to break that hold.

They beat us early this year and the press (you're excused TT) didn't look at the sides, just went back to the Kennett curse again. We had around six of our best out. Cheney stood Hawkins all match. The return games, we saw some good Brian Lake, some bad. The bad you shake your head how he gets a game. The good, you wonder how anyone can get a touch on him. Like 2013, his last half-dozen matches were mostly fantastic. Gunston was our main forward last year. Roughead stood up this year. Support got shared around. That's not happening at Geelong and by bringing in Clarke and Stanley, who's going to be getting the ball to them on a consistent basis?

We ran them off their feet in the last Q. So did North. Sydney obliterated them with run and finish. That hasn't happened to them for years.

No, Geelong has lost on this trade big time. As they didn't need another tall after bringing in Clark. Getting rid of an inconsistent but dangerous quick flanker in Varcoe is the wrong move as well. He's still being blamed for missing the shot that would have won them the game in 13 people say. Even if he had kicked a goal it would have meant a draw and extra time. Given we outscored them and out ran them in the last quarter as other sides were starting to do I'm confident we'd have gone on to win regardless.

Probably writing a bit on this as like many waited for Hawthorn to fall off the perch in the eighties. As a Hawk, I've been waiting for this lot and that damn curse B/S to disappear. Some overdue thumping is owed to them by my lot. I reckon 2015 could see the beginning of it.

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