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Date Posted: 05:35:58 08/26/03 Tue
Author: Pot
Subject: Re: Thoughts from J.J.
In reply to: PHUCK Gladys Knight and the SOOPREMES Cote... 's message, "Re: Thoughts from J.J." on 19:01:14 08/25/03 Mon

>>>> > > As for my own thoughts.... Judge Roy Moore is
>>>under fire for an "ethics" violation. That's because
>>>he actually HAS some. Marv........>>>>>Ten
>>>Commandments on
>>>Display Has No Legal Standing
>>>By J.J. Johnson
>>>Please excuse the shocking title of this article. I
>>>will try to get past much of the rhetoric from both
>>>sides of the standoff about the en Commandments on
>>>display at the State Courthouse in Montgomery,
>>>Alabama. As thousands descend to Alabama's state
>>>capitol for prayer and defense of a 5300 pound rock,
>>>and legal scholars try to sort out the mess, many
>>>pundits wonder 'just what point is Chief Justice Roy
>>>Moore trying to make?'
>>>Well, here's one man's take on the matter: Despite
>all
>>>the historical documents from this nation's
>beginning,
>>>and despite everything we were taught from a young
>>>age, we are a more 'enlightened' people. We elected
>>>more 'enlightened' politicians who in turn appointed
>>>more 'enlightened' judges. And these all knowing, all
>>>powerful people, having more information at their
>>>fingertips than at any time in world history, have
>>>ruled that the basic rules of mankind that have been
>>>in place for at least 50 centuries have no place ; no
>>>legal standing in today's government.
>>>
>>>...and that is the exact point Roy Moore is making.
>>>
>>>The order to remove the Ten Commandments from public
>>>display at the Alabama Court Building is not the
>cause
>>>of a failed government, failed courts, or a failed
>>>people - it is instead, the result of it.
>>>
>>>I will do my best here not to preach a sermon or
>sound
>>>like a right-wing zealot, but no one can tell me what
>>>is 'offensive' about those ten rules that are, in
>>>reality, the foundation of what was American law. But
>>>that's ancient history. We are more 'enlightened'
>>>today.
>>>
>>>Being the greatest and most powerful country on
>earth,
>>>we don't need silly rules such as those ten. No, we
>>>have government today - which has become the new god.
>>>And we have finally come to a point where there just
>>>isn't enough room on the Grand Stage for two gods.
>>>Thus, the courts have consistently ruled in recent
>>>days that the 'Other God' must go.
>>>
>>>And so, what if God does leave? What if he actually
>>>said, "ok, you guys win - and you're on your own"?
>>>That would make us a better country, wouldn't it?
>>>
>>>Of course. And when folks like Jerry Falwell makes a
>>>statement on September 11 implying the God has
>removed
>>>his protective hand from us, we won't have to
>chastise
>>>him - since it would have been true.
>>>
>>>And after such tragedies, we won't have national days
>>>of prayer, and prayer sessions in Congress while
>>>grieving over the dead because there will be no God
>to
>>>pray to. We told Him to get lost, remember? No, let
>us
>>>bow our heads and pray (and pay homage) to the New
>god
>>>of government. They will protect us from now on, and
>>>provide for all of our needs.
>>>
>>>Let's not sing God Bless America anymore, since we
>>>really don't want him to. That's George W. Bush's job
>>>now. And let's remove "In God We Trust" from our
>>>currency, since we really don't trust him anymore.
>>>We've placed our faith in our money supply to Alan
>>>Greenspan.
>>>
>>>And when it comes to religious symbols, we do our
>best
>>>to protect those in the war zone of Iraq, while
>>>throwing our own in the trash.
>>>
>>>Makes perfect sense to me.
>>>
>>>Word has it that a guy named Moses had gotten these
>>>ten rules straight from God himself. Even though
>>>e-mail wasn't around back then, God somehow
>downloaded
>>>them on to a couple of stone tablets. When Moses came
>>>back down from that mountain and saw the folks that
>>>were led out of slavery acting like too many of us
>>>today, he threw the tablets down, and they were
>forced
>>>to wander in the desert for 40 years.
>>>
>>>But today, in the more enlightened America, we don't
>>>have to wander in the desert. We have military
>>>personnel to do that for us. And little by little,
>>>more will go and wander as well. You see, we have a
>>>new god now, and the whole world has become a desert.
>>>
>>>So if and when we are plagued with earthquakes,
>>>violent storms, endless droughts, brushfires, or just
>>>people going crazy and shooting their co-workers or
>>>schoolmates, we'll call them "Acts of God", then
>plead
>>>to our new god (government) for our protection from
>>>all of these things. Yes, this new god is more to our
>>>liking. We can pray, and if the new god doesn't
>>>deliver, we can just vote him out of office (federal
>>>judges not withstanding). That Old God wouldn't let
>us
>>>do that.
>>>
>>>Isn't it ironic that if everyone simply followed
>those
>>>rules, it would make not only that 5300 pound rock,
>>>but that entire building itself - irrelevant?
>>>
>>>With the polls showing upwards of 77% of Alabamians,
>>>and the vast majority of Americans supporting the Ten
>>>Commandments being displayed at the courthouse,
>people
>>>are scratching their heads wondering, "why can't they
>>>just do what the majority wants?"
>>>
>>>Answer: Because we asked for this.
>>>
>>>We have long since slipped away from those tenants -
>>>and it's reflected in the people in government that
>>>represent us, enforce the laws, and rule on the laws.
>>>Yes, America - we didn't get the kind of government
>we
>>>wanted, nor the kind we needed. We get the kind of
>>>government we deserve.
>>>
>>>We have become so 'enlightened' that we don't even
>>>know how to respect or enforce our own sovereignty.
>>>Millions cross our national borders illegally, and
>our
>>>leaders don't even have the will to call it illegal.
>>>As a result, we will eventually lose at least 4
>>>southwestern states. I have all but given up trying
>to
>>>make it an issue anymore. We deserve it.
>>>
>>>We have become so 'enlightened' that the only
>criteria
>>>for any judge to sit on a bench, despite all the
>other
>>>important decisions they have to make, depends on his
>>>or her willingness to sanction the killing of the
>>>unborn. Fine. We didn't want them to take the phrase
>>>"Thou shall not kill" seriously, anyway.
>>>
>>>We have become so 'enlightened' that we fight to
>>>protect retirement schemes that we know will go broke
>>>soon, but that's okay since we've decided to let our
>>>grandchildren pay the bill. Then again, if they have
>>>no respect for that "Honor thy Father and Mother"
>>>thing when they grow up, why should they bother
>taking
>>>care of us?
>>>
>>>We are so 'enlightened' that we find it acceptable to
>>>act pre-emptive, killing anyone we see fit to keep us
>>>safe, if we think they are a threat. Make sense,
>since
>>>we don't want God's protection anymore. We have to
>>>live this way now. We have enemies all around us and
>>>even within us we are told - because they envy us.
>>>They don't have the new god that we have, and they're
>>>jealous.
>>>
>>>Gay Bishops are in, Boy Scouts are out, and sodomy
>has
>>>become a civil right, protected by the Constitution
>>>somewhere. Okay, I get it. According to our new god,
>>>the oldest industry on earth (agriculture) has become
>>>the most dangerous to the environment. And we all
>know
>>>that with all the craziness in schools these days,
>the
>>>last thing we need is prayer inside those buildings.
>>>Good thing we threw God out of there a long time ago.
>>>Just look at how much schools have improved since
>>then.
>>>
>>>Yes, for government's sake - let's get those Ten
>>>Commandments out of public view before something good
>>>happens.
>>>
>>>And while we're at it, let's get all those crosses
>out
>>>of Arlington Cemetery. It's public property, you
>know.
>>>And tell all of our troops fighting overseas that
>>>worship service is history, turn in those pocket
>>>Bibles and as a matter of fact, they must all be
>>>atheists in those foxholes.
>>>
>>>Let's do it right: Let us all come to an agreement
>>>that when the Bill of Rights was passed, they had no
>>>respect for any god, despite the fact that the
>>>Constitutional Convention was opened and closed with
>a
>>>Prayer to Almighty God. To Congress: Fire that priest
>>>we pay with our tax dollars to open and close each
>>>session of Congress with Prayer. We have a new god
>>>now, remember?
>>>
>>>And one more thing: Let's not support Israel anymore,
>>>since their presence in the holy land is based on
>>>scripture, and our government's support would
>>>represent an 'establishment of religion'.
>>>
>>>Hey ACLU and SPLC: Wanna take THAT one on?
>>>
>>>Now, as for those people who have dedicated
>themselves
>>>to prevent the monument's removal, and those who have
>>>rallied to the cause - take a good look at them.
>>>That's what's left of the American ideal that was
>>>founded over two centuries ago - like it or not.
>>>
>>>Make no mistake about it. If it weren't for too many
>>>trips already taken this year, I'd be there myself
>>>from 2000 miles away. Who knows - if the standoff in
>>>Alabama lasts, I may still be there. If I lived
>>>anywhere in Dixie, I would be writing this article
>>>from Montgomery.
>>>
>>>Would I suggest others go? Let's put it this way: You
>>>don't even have to be a Christian, Jew or even a
>>>Muslim. God knows none of us have lived up the
>>>standards of all those rules, but it you believe the
>>>Ten Commandments should REMAIN the foundation on
>which
>>>this country is based, then take a drive down to
>>>Montgomery. Your fellow Americans are waiting for
>you.
>>>
>>>And what about you, Mr. Bush? The silence from the
>>>White House is deafening. Is this only a "state
>issue"
>>>where the federal government should not get involved?
>>>If that were the case, we wouldn't be in this mess. I
>>>would not only pray for protection of the Ten
>>>Commandments, but that the President, during his fund
>>>raising travels, make a stop in Montgomery to visit
>>>with the Chief Justice, or maybe the people standing
>>>vigilant outside.
>>>
>>>Odds are, they all voted for George W. Bush.
>>>
>>>You see America: There is no sense looking for a
>legal
>>>loophole to save the Ten Commandments anymore, as God
>>>has no legal standing left in today's courts,
>>>government, or much of society. But the way things
>>>look from my piece of the world, perhaps it's time we
>>>invited Him back.
>>>
>>>Just my opinion,
>>>
>>>J.J. Johnson
>>
>>
>>Wal, I have an opinion too. Yes, we have brought
>>about our government be it good or bad and I'll agree
>>that it has headed in the wrong direction in many
>>ways. However, the alternative to our government is
>>anarchy and/or revolution. As a majority, we have
>>agreed that the Supreme Court is the final word on the
>>laws of the land. If we, as the majority, don't like
>>the decision(s) of the Supreme Court, there are ways
>>to change the law or vote in a constitutional
>>amendment.
>>
>>What we have in Alabama is a state court justice who
>>tried to defy the decision of the U.S. Supreme Court.
>>It doesn't matter whether he is absolutely right or
>>whatever shades of gray between absolutely right and
>>absolutely wrong. That isn't the way the majority of
>>us have agreed over the past 225+ years is the proper
>>way to do it. If we as the majority think that the
>>display of the 10 commandments in a court house is an
>>OK thing to do, then we have the wherewithal to make
>>the appropriate changes to the laws/constitution that
>>will effectively and legally override the Supreme
>>Court decision.
>>
>>Judge Moore was totally wrong in attempting to defy
>>the Supreme Court. That block of granite should have
>>been removed days ago.
>>
>>Mi tres centavos.(inflation, doncha know)
>
>> > . Here's Cinco Centavos worth. (inflate
>this!...blow hard.) I guess If King Charles had come
>along with a hot fire poker with orders from his pack
>of Bare-assters to stick it up your ass, you would
>have bent over and said: God Save the King.
>BOHICA!!!! Don't you think it's about time SOMEONE
>had the guts to say NO to the gubbimint we have
>created through our inaction and complicity?? We NEED
>to be saved from ourselves apparently. We have
>allowed the
>socialistcommunistathiestichomomulticurlturalismglobali
>stjobstealersterroristshippieabortionist (No relation
>to "supercalifragilisticexpleilidoshis") suckasses to
>pack the courts for years. I, for one, certainaly am
>glad that the majority of our "black robed" justices
>(only the hood is lacking) were
>approved/harrassed/fillibustered by the likes of
>Kennedy,Schumer,Clinton,Rangel,Daschel et.al. Who
>knows? Perhaps we (as a nation) would quit murdering
>babies, outlawing God, and supporting bullshit!
>There's a shitload of people hedging their bets on the
>"Laws of the Land". We don't ALL have to step in it
>or smell it or taste it to recognize "IT" for what
>"IT" is. Maybe outlawing the "Golden Rule" is next.
>Personally, I don't suffer from the "PC Lemming"
>syndrome. Look around... Who else in the universe is
>more screwed than our Tri-Fecta gubbiment? Perhaps
>the Somalis... I Dunno. Tomorrow is "runoff election
>day"... Start SOMEWHERE.. The ONLY thing evil NEEDS
>to flourish is for GOOD (of course, that word "good"
>is relative) people to do NOTHING! Are there ANY
>"Good" people or their relatives left?? God Bless the
>Republic and Piss slowly and preasurably on those who
>would destroy it through their subversion and
>complicity... (Or is that redundant?) No Offense.
>Ya'll have a nice day. Mavarino.. P.S. Remember
>"Opionions are like hemmohroids..Every asshole has
>one" Myself included.

Wal, I have your cinco centavos rat cher v . I don't have a problem with keeping that chunk of rock where it is, but I do have a problem with the way Moore is trying to it. There now...my nickel trumps your cinco centavos...hemmohroid and all. yee-haw!

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