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Date Posted: 19:49:52 08/30/02 Fri
Author: Marv
Subject: Re: Smite this fool.
In reply to: Pot 's message, "Re: Smite this fool." on 18:43:33 08/30/02 Fri

>>> > > If I have ever seen anyone who is need of a good
>>dose of being smitten it is this dude. Marv (BTW Chan
>>KMA in advance.)
>> >>>>--->>By Jim VandeHei
>>Washington Post Staff Writer
>>Friday, August 30, 2002; Page A05
>>
>>
>>The California atheist who sued to remove "under God"
>>from the Pledge of Allegiance now wants to kick the
>>House and Senate chaplains out of Congress.
>>
>>Michael A. Newdow, a lawyer and emergency room doctor,
>>this week filed suit in federal district court in
>>Washington contending that it is unconstitutional for
>>taxpayer-funded chaplains to pray in Congress and
>>minister to lawmakers. He wants the court to prohibit
>>the House and Senate from employing spiritual
>>chaplains, who are paid by Congress to lead prayers,
>>counsel members and perform other religious tasks.
>>Chaplains make as much as $147,000 per year.
>>
>>"If congressmen want to go to church, [then] walk down
>>the block like other Americans do and go to church,''
>>Newdow said in an interview yesterday. "Don't get my
>>government engaged in it. There are some people who
>>don't love God Almighty. That's why we have an
>>Establishment Clause," the constitutional ban on
>>government establishment of an official religion .
>>
>>Newdow named the entire Congress and James M. Eagen
>>III, chief administrator of Congress, as defendants.
>>
>>"The Supreme Court has thoroughly examined the history
>>of the congressional chaplaincies and determined they
>>are completely consistent with the Constitution," said
>>Morgan Frankel, deputy Senate legal counsel. "We
>>anticipate the same result in this case."
>>
>>Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) lambasted
>>the case as another attack on religious liberty.
>>
>>"The Capitol is the people's house,'' Lott said, "and
>>I believe the overwhelming majority of Americans who
>>send their senators and members of Congress to
>>Washington to represent them, are comforted by the
>>fact that our chaplains lead us in seeking guidance
>>from a superior power, as we are called upon to make
>>decisions. We should not look upon this as a frivolous
>>case but as another attack on religious liberty."
>>
>>While Senate lawyers expressed confidence the court
>>will rule against him, Newdow has beaten the odds
>>before. He successfully argued that the phrase "one
>>nation, under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance
>>violated the separation church and state clause. The
>>Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco
>>earlier this year ruled the phrase unconstitutional,
>>although the Justice Department and others have
>>appealed the decision. Many legal experts predict the
>>ruling will be overturned, perhaps by the Supreme
>>Court sometime next year.
>>
>>Either way, Newdow is on a crusade to take God out of
>>government. He wants the words "In God We Trust" off
>>money, presidents to quit talking about God at their
>>inaugurations, and members of Congress to be
>>prohibited from offering resolutions in the House and
>>Senate talking about God.
>>
>>In his case against Congress, Newdow faces a huge
>>obstacle, lawyers say. The Supreme Court ruled in 1983
>>in Marsh v. Chambers that it is not a violation of the
>>Establishment Clause to have paid legislative
>>chaplains. Congress has had paid chaplains since
>1789.
>>
>>Newdow contends the Marsh ruling was flawed and that
>>many subsequent court rulings support his claim. In
>>his filing, he says the "Court has {ndash} since 1983
>>{ndash} provided statements that directly conflict
>>with the holding in Marsh," including one in 2000
>>concluding that "the religious liberty protected by
>>the Constitution is abridged when the State
>>affirmatively sponsors the particular religious
>>practice of prayer."
>>
>>Newdow, who says he "absolutely denies the existence
>>of any Supreme Being," claims he applied for the jobs
>>of House and Senate chaplains, and was passed over.
>>
>>
>>© 2002 The Washington Post Company
>
>
>I'll chime in Marvin. It's a slow, boring evening.
>
>Try to forget for a moment about the issue of
>religious freedom, government sponsorship and what a
>dipshit that Newdow boy is. From a purely economic
>issue, it's at best, waaay overpaying a chaplain. At
>worst, it's a total waste of money. Take the total
>number of House and Senate members...In smalltown USA
>with the same population, how many churches are there
>that pay their preachers that much money?? Not even
>close!!
>
>As far as I can tell, the congressional chaplains
>haven't done so well in arranging for devine
>intervention with the partisan horsehocky that goes on
>there anyway. Maybe a huge cut in pay is in order
>unless they start arranging for a devine miracle every
>now and then. Economically, chaplains would seem to
>be a waste of money, but it's small potatoes compared
>to the other stuff.
> > > Yeah, you right. These Chaplins don't even have to pass the plate. If there was any Divine intervention Washington would be a vegtable Garden. It seems to me that these preachers are a waste of time AND money. Apparently no one is listening. I can't imagine WHAT it would take to break out the tar and feathers. I don't think there are enough tarpits, pine trees and fowl in the world to cover the situaton if the true shit hit the fan. I think that ALL "public servants" should be paid minimum wage with a 401K and a minor health plan, car payments, insurance and food and housing for themselves and family. Pay the military according to the risk factor of their assignment.. ie: $10,000 a day (1940's dollars) for raising the flag on Iwo Jima, and $47.32 a day for asskissing and typing. (Yassuh Boss!) Hell, we may lose a pile of HHS workers in the state if Gubbner Muskhole can't beg some "federal funds" to "provide the necessary services (HHS Federal Childnazis) to "our constuitiuents" We need more Federal funds/control to keep the skeeters from draging us across the river Jordan. In the immortal words of Hambone... "LAWD HAB MERCY!!" Marv

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