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Date Posted: 18:19:08 08/19/17 Sat
Author: Knut Holt
Subject: MEDICAL AND PSYCOLOGICAL ORDEALS IN CHILDHOOD AND TEENHOOD - interesting polls and stories



Interesting polls about events in childhood, teenhood and adulthood

Knut Holt

aquila_grande@yahoo.no

Please also see his website with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm


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You can use these polls to tell your own history or the history of someone you know about. If the lonks are not active, please copy them and use them in the address fields of your browser.
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Alien abduction - investigation of memories of alien abduction or similar events, like abduction for surveillance and experimentation by governments or mafias

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/616524

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Extended, mandatory well-child examination under anesthesia - where the kid undergo endoscopic inspections in the intimate zone and other body areas, extensive ultrasound inspections, ex-rays of several body zones, intrusive specimen collection and body function testings:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/611395

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Poll about cystoscopy or bladder inspections in kids and adults:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/615327

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Secret, intimate, intrusive medical exams and procedures under anesthesia on kids and adults:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/608976

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Called in for a strange physical or psycological exam:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/605807


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All the polls also have a message board. The individual stories of each participant will be published here. Here you can add comments or ask questions.


Knut Holt

aquila_grande@yahoo.no

Please also see his website with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm


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SOME OF THE STORIES I HAVE COLLECTED

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Girl, 11yo, Australia, health and development assessment with a pelvic focus

About an 11 years old Girl. It happened in Australia, 1990-1999. Answering as a parent, hope that is ok.


She was due to have tonsils removed for repeated tonsillitis. However we could have the procedure and aftercare free of charge in exchange for enrolling onto some medical study which we understood was essentially studying normal anatomy and measurements. We agreed and went to the local hospital for the operation.
We obviously let her know about the operation, and she had suffered with her tonsils so was happy.

We drove her to the procedure at a regular hospital.


OVERVIEW OF PREPARTIONS AND ARRANGEMENTS

She was not allowed to eat some time before the exam. She got laxatives to clean out my stomach at the place where the exam took place. They washed her body before the exam. She got a traditional enema before the exam to clean out her stomach.

She mostly only had her underwear on the time she stayed awake. They placed her upon a simple examination table. They placed her upon an advanced surgical table. She was placed to lay on her back with my flexed up, spread and mounted upon two devices. She was placed to lay on my left side.

She got IV tubes into blood vessels, in an arm, a device on a finger or a toe to measure pulse and oxygen in her blood. She got electrodes on her cheast.

Parts of my body got numbed by a shot with a syringe. She got anesthesia through tubes into blood vessels. She got anesthesia gas to breath in through a mask. She got some numbing and lubricating cream injected into her urinary opening, vagina and anus. The anesthesia made her sleep mostly, but she woke up occationally.


PREPARATIONS AS OBSERVED DIRECTLY BY PARENTS

Well we went to a small presurgical ward where she was stripped off to knickers only but had a bed and blanket.
The surgeon came to see us first, put our mind at rest, about the tonsillectomy etc. This was followed by the anesthetic team who cannulated arm and weighted her.
Finally the dr from the research people came as explained to us that they would take their samples and measurements once she was asleep and prior to the actual surgery.


Was taken to theatres some time later on the bed and transferred over. She had some injection through the cannula and gas and air over her nose.
A nurse then took off knickers and then she was pretty much bathed in iodine type solution all over from her naval down and parted labia bottom cheeks etc.
She was then positioned in stirrups.

OVERVIEW OF EXAMINATIONS DONE WITH EXTERNAL EQUIPMENT:

They performed an ECG, functional test of the heart function, with electrodes on her chest and other body areas. They examined her upper body with an ultrasound device or something similar. They examined her hip area with an ultrasound device or something similar. They took chest x-ray pictures. They took x-ray pictures of her hip area.

OVERVIEW OF INTERNAL INSPECTIONS:

They inspected the inside of her urethra and bladder with a scope. They took specimens from her urethra with a tube. They took specimens from her bladder with a tube.

They used a speculum in her vagina. They took specimens from her vagina with a tube. They inspected her vagina with a scope. They inspected through her vagina with an ultrasound probe. The doctor explored her vagina with a finger.

They inspected her anus with a speculum. They took specimens from her anus with a tube. They inspected her through her anus with a rigid scope.

They made an opening in my belly button or just under it and inspected the inside of her belly with a scope.

THE EXAMINATIONS AS OBSERVED BY THE PARENTS:

We were only allowed on during the induction then we left but watched from a window. They measured her limbs, head circumference, measured her nipples and areola, hips and waist. Ultrasound of hip joint.
Measures her labia and lots of other measurements of vulva but don't know exactly what.


Again measurements of opening were taken and speculum and various objects were inserted. I don't know precisely to what purpose or recording was for. Long rigid scope was passed into back passage


Once they were finished the ENT surgeon did the operation to remove tonsils.


ARRANGEMENTS AFTER THE PROCEDURE

She had catheter into her bladder. She just lay some time in a bed to recover. She lay naked under a blanket after the exam.

she stayed over night to make sure she could eat and drink and then we went home. We Drove home together.


THE SCHOOL SHE ATTENDED

She attended public boarding school. Normal school no relation to operation.

COMMENTS

Wgat is descreibed here is a standardized procedure subjected to children worldwide. The main purpose seems to be collection of data about health and development of children and teens and for general surveillance about the health of young persons in the populations. The procedure has been going on for several decades, and is still going on more than ever in a modernized version.

Some societies seem to have made the procedure mandatory as health and development screening at certain ages, of which 11-12 seems to be a peak age. Often the procedure is done when the child is under anesthesia for some other purpose, and often secretly, but it was not held secret in this case.

Knut Holt

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm


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Boy, Slovakia, psycological assessment 16yo plus pelvic exam 17yo

I am a male. I was a teenager, 16yo. The exam occured in Slovakia, Year 1990 - 1999, In eastern Europe

I was examined in a health centre, psychologist's office. I came with mum by walk. A psychotherapist examined me with my mum present.

OVERVIEW OF THE EXAM:

They performed a neurologic exam with electrodes on my body, a psychological exam, and a lie detector test.

THE EXAM STEP BY STEP:

Firstly we had a talk about my behavior. Then I did a lie detector when clothed and answering questions. Then rather same questions with lie detector stripped from waist. Again similar qustions, but now only in bries. Finally I did the same questions under lie detector being stark naked. I had to be naked till the end of the exam.

No specific phtsical exam occured


REASON AND JUDGEMENT:

What do you think was the reason for this exam? Behavior problems. What is your opinion about this experience? I was like testing bunny for this young doctor. I was nude despite nothing with my body was done.",,,,,,"

DIAGNOSIS:

The exam resulted in this diagnosis: Im lier but not so much when naked.

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I have got an answar about a pelvic exam at 17yo in another poll that probably is from the same respondent:

Boy, 17yo, Czech Republic, 17yo, cystosopy and exam through anus

I had cystoscopy - I am male. The exam took place in Eastern Europe, Prague Czech Republic, 17 years old, Years 1990-1999. Cystoscopy occured in a hospital.

Parents said something like: The doctor shall look at you down in your stomach. Got a nonsense exlanation of the type: We take you to the hospial. There you will sleep and then go home again. We went for some more complex exam to the hospital.

I came there by public transport with mum.



PREPARATIONS:

Had to walk by myself to the exam. Got to a special preparation room. Had to undress completely and go to bed. Given enema during preparations.

Taken vitals like temperature, heart rate and blood pressure. A doctor came, asked questions and explained.

In the doctors room I had to pull,down my trousers and nurse checked by butt. She realized enema is needed. Then I had to go to another room in the hospital where I had to undress completely and got the enema. Then again back to my cloth, We went back to the doctor's office. She asked me this time to take all my clothes off. My mum had to be there as I was below 18.

Got lubricating and pain-killing fluid inserted in through the pee-hole. Was totally naked during exam.

I lay on my back with streight legs.


THE EXAMS PERFREMED:

They put a flexible snake-like cystoscope in through the urethra. The scope or a new intrument was inserted even further up towards the kindeys.

They inspected anus with a scope.

Got medicines into urethra with a syringe after the exam.


DIAGNOSIS:

Diagnosis - psychological problems. Had to have a cathetherization routine. Social or psychological councelling or a training program.
The reason was problems with urination.


JUDGEMENTS:

It was not any big deal but it was painful.


COMMENTS

It is a common practice in many communities in the world to relate psychological problems or behavior problems to properties in the pelvic system, which leads first to a psychological assessment, then to a thorrough pelvic examination and often to some kind of management of pelvic functions, like urination, as in this case.

Even though it is difficult to find standard medical litterature about this practice and the theory about it, my investigation have revealed that it is common. It seems that the theory and particularities are held secret within specific medical subcultures.

Even though it is not told about here, the boy probably got deep sedation or general anesthesia, and the procedure was probably much more extensive that he remmebers, and probably the procedure followed an internationally established protocol for the examination.

By Knut Holt

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm


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Man, 30-36 yo, USA NJ, cystoscopy and treatment for prostate stones

I had cystoscopy - I am male. The exam took place in North America, USA Morristown NJ when I was30 - 38 years old, Years 1980-1989. The Cystoscopy occured in a hospital. The reasons for the exam was small amount of blood in urine.


EXPLATATIONS BEFOR THE EXAM:

The explanation was progressive: Originally the doctor said: "You'll get it as an outpatient. You'll have to take the day off from work." A day or two before it happened they added: "Oh yeah you'll need to have somebody drive you home afterward." When I was at the hospital on the morning of the exam they added: "Oh yeah, you'll also need someone to stay with you for 24 hours after the exam."


PREPARATIONS AND THE EXAM ITSELF:

The whole bed was rolled with me upon when the time for the exam had come. Taken vitals like temperature heart rate and blood pressure. A consent formula was presented and signed.

I got a a tube into a blood vessel to give anesthesia. Was put totallly to sleep. Had a gown around me, but the lower body was naked. I lay on my back with streight legs before the exam.

I do not know how the exam was done because put fully to sleep and noone told afterwards.


ARRANGEMENTS AND SYMPTOMS AFTER THE EXAM:

After I went home, I experienced bleeding and had trouble urinating. When I called them about it the nurse I got said: "Well I'd expect so!" even though they had never mentioned this beforehand as a possibility. Parents took care of me after the exam.


DIAGNOSIS AND FOLLOW-UPS

The diagnosis was prostate stones. Had to force fluids in order to urinate.

OPINION ABOUT THE ORDEAL:

It Should have been explained better.


COMMENTS

It sounds like they took out the prostate stones surgically and that this is the reason for the symptoms afterwards. They probably already knew about this diagnosis before the cystocopy itself, probably by means of an ultrasound exam performed with a sond inserted through his anus, or possibly x-rays.


By Knut Holt

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm

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Girl, teenage, Eustralia, extensive internal inspections at her dad's doctor office

I was a teenage girl. It happened in Eustralia or Oceania. I was examined at home. I was home alone and felt an overpowering urge to go to my dad's home office (he's a doctor) I walked into his office (home clinic i s'pose) and felt an urge to sit on the gyno/exam chair. I couldn't see but I felt like there were 2/3 in the room Who was also present besides my father during the exam? 2/3 other people

EXAM OVERVIEW

They examined my head teeth and jaws. They did an orthopedic exam. They examined the organs inside my chest. They examined my organs inside my stomach. They examined my genitals. They examined my rectal zone. They did a general examination of my pelvic zones.

They inserted instruments into my nose. I got a prop in my mouth that held it open wide and i kind of felt like i was at the dentist. They inserted instruments into my mouth.

They inserted instruments into my urinary opening. i've never had this before so it was weird and uncomfortable. They inserted instruments into my vagina, opened my vagina with a speculum and poked around. They inserted instruments into my rectal opening. I think they took my temperature rectally and also used a speculum

They performed a neurologic exam with electrodes on my body. They performed an electrocardiogram of my heart. They performed a exam with electrodes on my head. They performed a full functional test of my breathing, heart and blood circulation under workload.

They performed a psychological exam. They made interrogations about my social relations and my daily life.

They took x-rays of the examined areas. They took tomographic x-ray scans of the examined areas. They took MMR-scans of the examined areas. They took ultrasound pictures of the examined areas. They scanned the examined areas after injection of a radioactive isotope or contrast fluid.

I also had a dental exam which was terrifying.


ANESTHESIA AND ARRANGEMENTS

I was given sadative or pain-killing medicines through my mouths. I was sedated but awake. I was totally naked.

My positions during the exam: In stirrups on the gyno chair and spread eagle frog position. Any strange equipment or arrangements in the exam room? There was a weird pumping type machine?


EXAM SEQUENCE

First they ties me down completely - neck brace connected to chair straps so i couldn't move at all.

Then ut my legs in the stirrups and spread them wide so i was fully exposed.

Thirdly reclined chair inserted mouth prop so it was stuck open wide. Then they did a thorough dental exam.

Forthly put eye drops in my eyes so i couldn't see well and then opened them wide and scanned my face.

Then they put suctions on my breasts. It was like they were trying to milk me?

Thereafter they thoroughly examined my genitals and insterted objects into both my vagina and rectum and took photos. I felt as if they were taking samples from inside me because they were examining my genitals 4 ages.

Latsly I blacked out for a little and woke up fully clothed in my bedroom. It was weird.


UROGENITAL EXAM

I do not exactly remember all of it, sometimes I only felt they did something down there.

They palpated my outer female genitals. They spread my genital lips to look inside. They examined my vagina with a speculum. They took speciments (pap smears etc) from my vagina with an instrument. They performed an outer ultrasound exam of my female genitals and lower tummy area. They perfomed an ultrasound exam through my vagina.


ANAL EXAM

They spread my cheeks and examined externally my rectal zone. They examined my rectum with an inserted finger.

They inserted a speculum into my anus to examine it internally. They took specimens from my rectum or bowel with some tube-like instrument. They took some measurements inside my rectum or bowel with a long tube-like instrument. They looked in through my rectum with a rigid optical scope. They examined my rectum and terminal colon with a flexibal scope. They examined my rectum with an ultrasound sond. They performed a full colonoscopic exam of my entire bowel.


SYMPTOMS AFTERWARDS

I had strange pain or irritation in my rectal zone and stomach as if my rectum or bowel had been secretly examioned. I had strange irritation in my urethra and bladder zone as if this body part had been secretly examined. The exam did not result in any diagnosis.


JUDGEMENT ABOUT THE ORDEAL

What do you think was the reason for this exam? i'm not sure. it felt too real to be a dream and i feel so taken advantage of.

What is your opinion about thios experience? it was strange


COMMENTS

It looks like the father of the girl had planned to do a full health check, including endoscopic inspections of her daughter. The strangest thing with the story is the way she got to the office to get the exam. Some communities do such extensive checks on all children. This might be such a community, and it is possible that the father was angaged in that work.

Probably her father had talked with her many times about such extensive exams and that she soon would need it and said to her that she could just come down to his office when she felt ready. It is possible that he secretly gave the girl some medication during these thoughts, so that she do not remember much of the thoughts, but that the message was understood. When she came the father and her colleges id the exam.

Edited by Knut Holt

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm

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