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Date Posted: 05:21:50 06/28/08 Sat
Author: Rodger Tutt (http://www.tentmaker.org)
Subject: If you cannot love an eternal torment god

If you cannot love an eternal torment god

I’m 69 years old. The idea that God lets anyone suffer forever has caused me more suffering (including a twelve year nervous breakdown 1966-78) than all the other sufferings of my life combined.

This suffering was caused by the fear produced by not being able to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever and wondering what this god would do to me for not being able to love him. Even though I was and am trusting for my salvation in what Jesus accomplished by His death and resurrection, through the power in the blood of His cross, I was, and still am unable to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever. Here are testimonies similar to mine.

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html</a>

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/consequences.html">http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/consequences.html</a>

If you are like me and cannot love a god who would let anyone suffer forever, you can copy and paste (if necessary) the following urls into the address bar and find out that a literally (not interpretively) translated Bible actually teaches universal salvation, not even annihilation.


If necessary, copy and paste the following urls into the address bar.
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm</a>

At the top and bottom of that same THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD page, there is the following link to fourteen other writings in the same series that are related to this same subject.
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm</a>

Don’t kid yourself. If anyone suffers forever JESUS IS DOING IT TO THEM

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm</a>


The eternal torment theology of the Arminian Christian relies on so-called “free will” and luck.

The god that Arminian eternal tormentors profess to love says to his fallen creatures

“Unless you are lucky enough to find out about my son during this lifetime, and even if you are that lucky, if you don’t have the good sense to cooperate with my son properly before you die, then I am going to raise you from the dead and I will sustain you alive in an inescapable state of eternal torment forever.”

The eternal torment theology of the Calvinist Christian relies on God alone, not “free will” at all. It is summed up by the word TULIP: Total depravity, Unconditional election, Limited atonement, Irresistible grace, and the Perseverance of the elect.

The god that Calvinistic eternal tormentors profess to love says to his fallen creatures

"I created most of you for the purpose of torturing you forever. However, I am going to choose a few of you undeserving ones to go to heaven where you will be happy forever." John Calvin said there will be infants a span long in hell because they were not among the elect. (A span is the distance between the tip of the thumb to the tip of the little finger.)

And then both the Arminian and Calvinistic eternal tormentors say that the feelings that they have for this god of theirs is “love.”

To read a description of eternal torment combination Calv-Arminianism see
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html</a>

This next url sums up the end result of all three
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm</a>

Without God’s sustaining power everyone would cease to exist.
So if anyone were to suffer forever, our all-powerful God (Who is Love in essence, not just loving) would be fully 100% responsible for it. We would have to conclude that any definition of the manifestation of “love-in-essence” includes eternally sustaining people alive in an inescapable state of suffering. What a travesty; what a revolting definition of love it is that God, Who is love personified, would grant any creature a will so strong that they can choose themselves into an irreversible state of never ending suffering!

Thank God the Bible does not teach such an insane idea!

Here is what the God that universal transformationists love and worship with complete abandon will do. He will complete the process of salvation for the first fruits of election, (the remnant chosen by grace), after the first resurrection. Then He will complete the process of salvation for the non-elect after the great white throne judgment. For some, it will include an experience in the lake of fire.

Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead to guarantee that any necessary "kolasis aionian" (age-during corrective chastisement) will be 100% effective in changing wrong attitudes. All acts of sin have been forgiven for everyone. Attitudes cannot be forgiven. Attitudes must change. This is what the lake of fire which is the second death will do. It will last no longer than God sees is good for everyone involved.

You can Google up good articles on this subject by typing in kolasis aionian

Also see

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm</a>

For anyone who cannot love an endless-hell god ---

Copy and paste the following urls into the address bar

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html">http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html</a>

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.christianuniversalist.org">http://www.christianuniversalist.org</a>

Also see

Information, and frequently asked questions in support of a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaching universal salvation,

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/bloglinks.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/bloglinks.htm</a>

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/sitemap.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/sitemap.html</a>

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html</a>

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm</a>

(If necessary, copy and paste them into your address bar)

and they will learn that the Bible actually teaches universal salvation instead, not even annihilation.

Or, they will go to the search engine at the top of <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org">http://www.tentmaker.org</a> and will type in a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture passage. Ten articles will come up refuting the claim that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation. Then they may click to the next page and ten more articles will come up, and so on and so on for many pages.

The many entries in my guestbook that is accessed towards the bottom of my front page at <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/">http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/</a>

and the many entries at <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/visitorcomments.htm">http://www.tentmaker.org/visitorcomments.htm</a>
show just how much this information is helping people.

Also see <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html</a>

This was the information that enabled me to recover from a twelve year nervous breakdown 1966-78, and it gives me great joy to keep learning that it is helping more and more other people too!! I’m 69

I am also going to guide you to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. His name is Charles Slagle.
He answers the question, "Which view of salvation is true?"

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html">http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html</a>

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