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Date Posted: 05:26:59 05/14/08 Wed
Author: Cheri
Author Host/IP: mt1.csweb.net / 65.69.101.138
Subject: Re: I know I learned it from Howard or the mb or Briskys:
In reply to: Dennis 's message, "Re: I know I learned it from Howard or the mb or Briskys:" on 20:08:22 05/13/08 Tue

>I spend about half an hour typing a response and when I
>hit send it disappeared.
>Somehow, somewhere, someone came up with the claim that
>phosphorous made flyers get mean. It isn't true like a
>lot of things said. I think that is why people got the
>idea it was bad for flyers. It is actually needed in
>a calcium to phosphorous ratio of 2:1. A good diet gets
>them enough naturally. It doesn't need to be
>supplemented.
>
>All supplementing needs to be done on the light side.
>Flyers get calcium and Vitamin D2 from plant matter
>like
>brocolli. Vitamin D is fat soluable and is stored in
>the body. Excess Vitamin D causes decalcification which
>is basically the same problem as with not enough. The
>thought that more is better isn't true in this case.
>I'm not saying anything you have done was wrong or
>created
>a problem. I'm just reminding everyone that reads this
>to
>go easy on the supplements.
>I use the calcium blocks from Brisky's, too. But that
>is
>all I get from them.
>If you want a good basic food for flyers that has
>everything
>in the correct ratios, get Purina Monkey Chow. It can
>be
>fed dry, soaked in water or soaked in juice. I would
>never
>feed them only that because it sure would get old
>after a
>while. Good ol' natural foods are still best.
>
>
>>>Why not Calcium with phosphorus? Phosphorus is an
>>>important
>>>part of the diet but must be in a ratio with calcium
>>>of about 2:1 Calcium to Phosphorous. Read this:
>>>
>>>Next to calcium, phosphorus is the most abundant
>>>mineral in the body. These two important nutrients
>>>work closely together to build strong bones and
>teeth.
>>>Approximately 85% of phosphorus in the body can be
>>>found in bones and teeth and roughly 10% circulates
>in
>>>the bloodstream. The remaining phosphorous can be
>>>found in cells and tissues throughout the body.
>>>Phosphorous helps filter out waste in the kidneys and
>>>contributes to energy production in the body by
>>>participating in the breakdown of carbohydrates,
>>>protein, and fats. It also helps reduce muscle pain
>>>after a hard workout. Phosphorus is needed for the
>>>growth, maintenance, and repair of all tissues and
>>>cells, and for the production of the genetic building
>>>blocks, DNA and RNA. Phosphorus is also needed to
>>>balance and metabolize other vitamins and minerals,
>>>including vitamin D, calcium, iodine, magnesium, and
>>>zinc.
>>>Symptoms of phosphate deficiency include loss of
>>>appetite, anxiety, bone pain, bone fragility,
>>>stiffness in the joints, fatigue, irregular
>breathing,
>>>irritability, numbness, weakness, and weight change.
>>>The delicate balance between calcium and phosphorous
>>>is necessary for proper bone density and prevention
>of
>>>osteoporosis.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>The nails catching in your clothes makes me think
>>>MBD;
>>>>>did the vet mention that at all? Again, I will
>pray
>>>>>for you to find comfort as you grieve for your
>>>>>precious Pepe.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I need a male fs I lost Pepe Sat. mor. He had been
>>>>>>acting like he was in pain and his nail's stuck to
>>>>all
>>>>>>my clothes.I could not even hold him. he still ate
>>>>and
>>>>>>drank H20 I put him in his own cage thinking the
>>>girl
>>>>>>hurt him. he only got worse,Tue I went to check
>him
>>>>>>and he was on the floor of his cage. I freaked out
>>>>and
>>>>>>caled around till I found a vet who could see him.
>>>>Wed
>>>>>>we went exray showed he had a fractured feemer or
>>>top
>>>>>>of leg around the hip it looked like it was almost
>>a
>>>>>>inch long. She gave me anti inflamitory and some
>>>>>>liquid cal I gave it to him that night and he did
>>>not
>>>>>>seem any beter He was in such pain and could not
>>>even
>>>>>>use his back legs layed on the botom of the cage
>>and
>>>>>>held on to the little nest. Thur she was out of
>the
>>>>>>office and I called her Fri she said double the
>>meds
>>>>I
>>>>>>did and he still seemed worse Sat mor he was dead.
>>>He
>>>>>>was 9 to 10 yrs old. It is so hard, I have always
>>>>felt
>>>>>>so bad when others loose ther fs's I could not
>even
>>>>>>post to help you, Now that I have lost Pepe I
>could
>>>>>>not even post till today. I need to wait till next
>>>>>>spring, I have the girls to take care of.
>>>>*******No she said he was in real good health.
>except
>>>>for the fracture, she gave me a antiinflamitory and
>>Ca
>>>>Glubionate I had told her he could not have cal.
>with
>>>>phospros. and the anti,inf. stuff was 10 times
>weaker
>>>>because he was so small, thats why I thought it was
>>>>not helping the pain. I have always had cal. in all
>>>>there cages from Briskys. the kind they chew on
>>>>themselfs. Thankyou S.K.......I am going to go back
>>to
>>>>that vet and take a picture of Pepe's exray. That is
>>>>his and I want it.
>>******Dennis I would not even buy cal. from any pet
>>store because the phop, And I told the people I sold
>>my baby's to only get the right one w/o phop. in it,
>>from Briskys. Have I been so wrong for 10 yrs. All my
>>fs's have been great till Pepe just now got hurt. I
>>really think it was Curt H. or his wife I learned it
>>from. I went to see her and bought the cal from the
>>pet store they were next to.
******As long as you use Brisky's cal I am fine. I thought I hurt him and the girls because I was not using the other cal. The vet said I was doing a great job with my fs's The oldest she had seen was 5yr's and that Pepe was in very,very good health. Except for the fracture. I give all kinds of veg's fruit and nuts. Vit's in the H2O I even have a min. wheel and buy the fruit/nut seed mix for small pets. Jasmin flowers, and rose's only if I know they are not sprayed with pest stuff. And I mix it up just so they get what they need. Pepe would have been 10 this fall.

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