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Author: Mallard Author Host/IP: 207.200.116.132 |
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Date Posted: 04:42:43 04/02/06 Sun More of your lies Renee? Before responding to his post, I reviewed my old e-mails, just to make sure my story would be straight. I came to know Renee, as I was looking to buy a treadmill in order to shape my Shooter dog for an ADBA show and was then planning on taking him for his first swim after that. Renee had a treadmill posted for sale, so we made contact. I ended up buying a different mill but through our conversations and e-mails, he offered me two young prospects for free. One was the Rum Cola bitch (Clemmreaux) and the other was a male out of the Yogi dog. All Clemmons stock. He claimed he was getting out of dogs and was washing his hands clean of the game. Things were too hot and he was thinking about moving out of state. Since Shooter was my only male at the time (and I drove all the way to Texas to get him), I wanted something out of him in the event that he was lost during his swim, so I took the bitch. Again, my intent was to get pups out of him in case I lost him. Since he was getting out, one of the things that Renee made clear was that he did not want the bitch back. I have an e-mail stating this. In fact, the male that I previously mentioned went to a friend of mine (RM). If I had taken the male, he would have been free. Since Renee did not know RM, the price for the male was set at $200.00. RM told me that Renee said the exact same thing to him, “I’m getting out and I don’t want the dog back”. RM can testify to this. The dog was sold to RM and put down just a few days later. Meanwhile, the bitch I received was in horrible shape. She was underfed and had a severe skin condition all around her neck. I have “before” and “after” type pictures that demonstrate her condition as she was received. She had already been bred by Renee once prior to coming to me. Renee mentioned that there was some disagreement with the person he was dealing with over the bitch’s first litter and that he ended up killing all the pups. I got the bitch healthy and bred her to Shooter. There are quite a few on this board that know me. I do what I say and I say what I mean. I tell it straight and I’m a stickler for details. I will help anyone that I can. I openly share and contribute as much as possible. I have sold two pups in my entire life-time. All others have been kept by me or placed with doggers that would do right by them. As time went on with Renee, there were some peculiar things that were beginning to happen. For a fellow who said he was getting out of dogs, he certainly had a keen interest in my Shooter dog. A few days ago, I reviewed some of the typed pedigrees he was sending me (from that time), where he was incorporating my Shooter dog into his breeding program. Mostly to his Sorrells bred dogs. He was also sending me pedigrees with Shooter, bred to dogs that he did not even own (associates of his). He then went as far as to set up arrangements for Shooter to go out on swims, without even consulting me first! Mind you, this was with other people I had not even met or heard of. He acted as if the dog was his. When I discussed this with him, he came back with lumped sarcasm. Then there were these other “mishaps” that were happening. Renee has a dominant personality, which is fine but he also doesn’t manage his anger very well. It is my opinion that his religious teachings shape much of his decision making process. As he told me several times, his version of Islam teaches that white people are “devils”, therefore, whenever there was a disagreement or misunderstanding between he and I, his view was that it was caused by the fact that I am white. That is, he believed it was within my nature (as a Caucasian) to commit certain behaviors; therefore, what should have been just a miscommunication was chalked up to the fact that I was white and that I had these in-born horrible motivations. In fact, everything seemed to be someone else’s fault with Renee, but it usually came back to the fault of white people. For example, he expressed that he had a hard time working with Latinos. He blamed that on white people. Renee said that because of the history of slavery in this country, as well as other forms of discrimination against blacks, that Latinos would not respect him. I was patient with all this for a while. He once admitted that he needed a friend to help “keep him in check”, but I wasn’t looking for that kind of relationship with someone. I assume surround myself with positive types. As I said before, he stated that he was getting out of the dogs. He also said that he didn’t want the bitch back (verbally and in an e-mail). He told RM the same thing concerning the male. “He was to send me back a pup from this litter in which he did not do.” ***That’s a lie. If you wanted a pup, all you would have needed to do was ask. I would have gone as far as to split the litter with you. You never asked for a pup and said you were getting out of dogs. “I told him that I will give him the dog only if she was to stay with him. And that if he want her just for the breeding I offered to give him the breeding and keep most of the litter and that she would just stay on my yard. He said he would keep her, and gave me his WORD that he would and that if he were to get rid of her she was to come back to me” ***Yet another lie. You washed your hands of her. You stated clearly did not want her back. It’s in writing and you made the mistake of saying the exact same thing to someone else. Although it was never discussed, I did take her with the intent on keeping her. She was a real sweetheart. As other blood became available, I was not going to use more than 50 to 25 percent of the Clemmons blood on my yard, so there was no need to keep her. The first option is that the dog always goes back where it came from. I didn’t offer her back to you because you said and wrote up front that you didn’t want her back. “but after this gyp whelped and wheened her pups at 5 1/2 weeks he put her up for sale” ***For the reasons stated, I decided not to keep her and you had already said that you didn’t want her back. I offered her to RM for free and he didn’t want her. I posted her, hoping that somebody would have an interest in the blood. Had you have said up front that you wanted her back if I decided not to keep her, she would have gone back to you immediately and she would have never been offered to RM for free or posted on the net. “I demanded my dog back in which he returned”. ***This reminds me of something else. Some months ago, your previous lie against me was that I stole that Clemmons female from you. Some on this board saw that post. You went as far as to use fake e-mail addresses, so that you could write me and use all your filthy race driven attacks, while enjoying anonymity. RM figured you out faster than I did, but I still was cautious, so when I received that female from you, I copied the ADBA certificate that YOU SIGNED over to me, before I sent it to the ADBA. That means I have proof that you signed her over. I also copied the ADBA certificate, which had the bitch in MY NAME, before I signed her back over to you. How could those transactions have taken place if I stole her? Once you realized that I could prove you wrong (as I can now), you stopped posting that lie and made up another. I had no problem retuning the female to you. All you had to do was make up your mind what you wanted to do. It was obvious that you were never getting out of dogs. You didn’t want those Clemmons dogs and you attempted to use them as a bargaining chip to try and get into some Butcher Boy blood. Instead of being up-front, you tried conning your way in. You tried through a supposed obligation to gain what you wanted. As your con didn’t work, you became more frustrated and angry and ultimately, this is how you chose to handle it. The only reason you wanted the Clemmons bitch back was because you wanted another bargaining chip. Or maybe, because of your race issues you thought you needed to approach getting a pup the way you did? Well I’ll tell you what… Maybe you really believe in what you are saying. If that’s true, I would be willing to show you your own correspondence, proving what I’m saying! I would also have you speak with RM, so that he can remind you of the same words you told him. If you want the truth, I can demonstrate it. If the truth means something to you, I can prove that you are mistaken. On the other hand, if you just want to be pissed off because of the outcome of things, then be pissed off. You can walk around saying I’m a dog thief or cheater to anyone misguided enough to listen to you. If I hurt you in some way, talk to me about it. If we have something to settle, let’s get it settled how you want. What’s happening now is that you keep putting out these kinds of posts about me that are not true. I think you can do better than that. I’ve seen the other side of you Renee. You have some great redeeming factors, but when you get angry you go off the deep end. Let’s get it settled! [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |