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Date Posted: 21:10:30 04/07/02 Sun
In reply to:
Rufus
's message, "Re: Ignorance is bliss.......?" on 13:43:37 04/07/02 Sun
>.....would you say the ones who crashed planes
>>into the WTC where right,or the christians who
>>murderedmillions in the crusades? Obviously not!
>
> Paul, I thought what we were talking about was
>the idea that people do this.....and perhaps explore
>"why" they do this. Where is "religion's" role in all
>of this? What if Muslim's interpret their canon to
>include ideas and concepts that, in their 'belief',
>make these actions 'right'? (p.s. this is what these
>people have done).
> The issue becomes: why is your belief any more
>correct than their's? This is what I believe we were
>talking about. If you thought otherwise, can we talk
>about this?
>
>
>>Numbers in a religion dont make it right,truth in a
>>religion does.
>
> Yes, see here: you state that truth in religion
>matters. How does anyone know what this "truth" is,
>Paul? It astounds me that you go on to post (below)
>that man created religion and determining truth is
>"harder". Then you state the above comment and think
>your belief to be logical?
>
>
>>As for Quittner having a christian
>>source which says otherwise,So what,the only christian
>>source iminterested in is the bible.
>
> But it took "man" over 1000 years to write this
>resource you refer to. It has many authors; it has
>been translated from different langauges; it is
>"passed" and "published" by theists with an obvioius
>bias: not to mention the evolution of this bias over
>the years and subsequent publications. And even you
>state that interpreting it is difficult. But it is the
>"ONE" resource you use to determine what is right and
>wrong? This clearly defies all logic and reason.
>
>
>>I am quite aware of the implications of Jesus'
>>words but if you have a problem with that take it out
>>with him.
>
> Would you be so kind as to direct me to Him?
>You're the one whom states you know His words are
>"truth": this imples that you can answer questions
>pertaining to Him: does it not? If yu know His words
>are the true one's, why are you directing me to Him?
> Use His words and answer the question. My point:
>there are various interpretations to any comination of
>words. There are even more possibilities when words
>are translated from one language to another....over
>1000 years, by various people. This concept is what I
>was referring to.
>
>
>>So your opinionated and blunt,good so am I,
>>only when I show that you call me ignorant,funny that
>>isnt it.
>
> No, it is not funny. Ignorance is stating an
>opinion and failing to back it up with evidence. Need
>an analogy?.......I will now make up a God and ask you
>to believe in Her. This God will speak to me and ask
>me to write a new canon to be used in order to benefit
>all of mankind.....a Utopia will follow. All who do
>not follow Her words will cease to exist.
>
> Do you believe in my God, Paul? Or do you
>require some proof? You cannot use your bible and
>declare Her a false prophet; this will cause you to
>cease to exist. She is that powerful, by the way. Is
>it logical to assume that you would just believe my
>words without proof?
>Yet you believe in the words of a book which origins'
>you are not aware of and cannot prove.
> What I am saying is that YOU, Paul, do not
>have any more proof of Jehovah, then I do of my God.
>(though mine is better looking)! Thus, it is ignorant
>to believe in either, unless there is proof. You
>believe in something you cannot prove: this is an
>ignorant stand: a nicer word for it is called: Faith.
>And by the way, I've never stated whether I believe in
>God or not: I just don't believe in religion.
>
>
>=====Your ideas about the Koran and Islam
>>definately show you up for ignorant.You say the Koran
>>is Gods word to Muslims,"well thats me convinced!"
>>Muslims 'claim' God spoke to Mohammed after he spoke
>>to Moses,this would makes the Koran the bible of
>>choice 'if' it w
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