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Date Posted: 10:26:23 04/24/00 Mon
Author: jmitch
Subject: Re: Rules and Tech Exchange INFORMATION
In reply to: fsstek 's message, "Re: Rules and Tech Exchange INFORMATION" on 08:20:06 04/22/00 Sat

> jmitch,
> You raise some very valid questions. I'll try to
> address each one. first remember that we are trying
> to include the guys that are running cars at Hialea
> all the way to south Geogia. Some are called street
> stock, some Super stock, Some Hobby Stock.
> Some of these cars are stuck with 194 valves,automatic
> transmissions,rochester 2bbls,stock gm rear ends . Yes
> i know that's archaic, but still that's the problem.
> Trying to get them into the program.
> My personal preference would be to allow any available
> cast iron head,aluminum intake, 4412, fourspeed, 9'
> rear any gear,etc. Unfortuneatly we would limit the
> amount of potential competitors to a small number.
> Perhaps if we show enough activity, we can "upgrade"
> the class to a more "realistic" set of rules. This
> would by necessity be an evolution. As more tracks
> adopted the "unuversal " concept, we could bring the
> class into the 21st century.
> Now for the "biggies"
>
> 1. Rear fender wells are surely something that could
> be eliminated from the rules as long as the drivers
> compartment is still "sealed off ". That is on the
> list of "maybe's"
> 2. Cage tubeing to hook to front and rear hoop ? Why
> not, This really is the standard accepted method of
> stiffining a chassis. This one really is on the maybe
> list! Some tracks don't allow it, that's why we didn't
> include the option. Perhaps It would be easier for
> those guys to add the option, then cut a opening in
> them later to comply with the home track rules.
> 3. Springs and shocks... well most everyone specs
> stock shocks except the "sportsman" type classes. If
> no spring jacks are allowed in front,as most classes
> are, stock front shock placement isn't a problem.Stock
> appearing shocks are available and work well. They
> aren't expensive either. Like KYB. This will remain
> on the table as a consideration.I would like to hear
> more from both sides on this item.
>
> 4. Weight... At what point is a weight penalty fair
> and not fair ? Again lets hear some knowledgable
> sources..
>
> "NO biggies"
> You say, "no biggie" but you felt that you had to
> mention them. You deserve a fair response.
> Not many tracks allow hood scoops. The reason probably
> is because the also spec stock type air filters.I
> agree, not a biggie.Will add to list of considerations.
> Windshield bars are a safety item that i feel strongly
> about. They should be on all stock cars. I have had a
> wheel land on my hood at speed. It ain't funny and you
> can't "duck" ! this could save your life at any track
> any night.
> Spoilers. can be easily removed and put back on.This
> was put in because some tracks don't allow It and on a
> short track It's just window dressing anyway. I agree,
> no biggie.
> Radiators,fans and pulleys. Lots of ground to cover
> here.. first radiators. Few tracks allow aluminum
> radiators, probably to reduce costs. Frankly I don't
> think they have bought a good new four core brass
> radiator lately !They ain't cheap either.This is an
> item that is usually associated with the more
> sophisticated race car.It is a definite advantage in
> weight and cooling capacity. Since so many tracks
> don't allow them, we included them in the "no" list.
> Fans (electric).Again this is an item that is
> associated with the more sophisticated classes.. I
> would like to hear some arguements on this.(from a
> safety standpoint ?? hint hint.)Convince us..
> Exhaust manifolds. Yep, that's a pain in the rear,
> but.. We are including engines that must run small
> carbs,194 valves large combustion chambers etc. How do
> we give these guys a break ? Maybe if someone can come
> up with some other handicap method.. ? ??
> Mufflers. I personally don't think they belong on a
> race car, but again i have lost a lot of my hearing
> too !. Some tracks dictate that they be used. I would
> think that if we were running a track that didnot
> require them, we would announce well in advance that
> they would be waived for that race.. sound fair ?
> Racing Rochester. I really don't think so, because all
> the versions i have seen are based either on the
> marine version or the big "dump truck' VENTURI. The
> one in our rules limits the venturi to 1 1/4 inch.
> That allows for a little "work" in that area to a very
> cheap carb.. Everyone will feel the pain of this one
> in speed, but the cost is negligible.This is the other
> way to level the playing field from the Vortec heads
> to the stock 194 open chamber heads.
> Hopefully we can go to a 4412 soon.
> Gear set. Well everyone is going to have to select a
> gear that is right for the track,cam and car. I doubt
> many guys will have the right gear "on the trailer"
> except the lucky guys that run at that track on a
> weekly basis.and then maybe not, if they use high
> gear. Those ratios are among the "cheaper" ones too.
> Heads.I suppose if we allow vortec heads, we are
> hurting the "other" guys.If we race at a track less
> than 1/2 mile with the gears we spec, I doubt there
> will be much if any difference. After we have
> established ourselves as a viable class. we should set
> some goals as to where the rules are heading. This
> will give everyone a chance to plan ahead towards the
> next phase. I promise that this will happen. We don't
> want to send the wrong signals to the competitors.
> Eventually we want a set of our own rules, so we can
> get rid of the "micky Mouse" induction systems. That
> will necessitate some definite "head "rules.
>
> Harmonic balancers. I personnaly think a good motor
> deserves the best harmonic balancer it can get.I know
> they are made of aluminum too. I think this can be
> written in for the sake of safety also. It will be
> considered.
>
> Cam Shaft.Good question. I know If we spec it, someone
> will say that's the thing that will keep them away.In
> this case with the restricted induction and exhaust
> system, I don't think anyone will have an advantage.
> Those running a "big one" may not like it though, I
> bet some cams are going to be way too much.If the
> overwelming majority thinks we should put a limit on
> the cam, we will consider, but this is a great
> opportunity to dial an engine to run with the stuff
> already specified.
> Wedge bolts. Sure lowering blocks are O.K. We need to
> make these cars adjustible. Hopefully they will be
> running lots of different tracks.The adjustability
> will come in handy.
> weight. I agree, but for the mean time we need to keep
> the class open to all the "heavy"ones. I see this
> going to a 3,000 very soon If everything works out.
>
> I hope this has addressed your concerns. By the way,
> this is exactly the way we should "work things out".
> Thank you for expressing your views, they are
> valuable. By the way, this is not a "one man show".
> Rick is the "head man here" The tech dept. is being
> run by four people with Years of Florida Stock Car
> experience rangeing from "spectator" racing to "Late
> Models" Everyone of these guys LOVE Rac'n !!
>
> Go Fast, Turn Left and Have Fun.
> fsstek

Thanks for your response! Now, you do understand that I WOULD be willing to change the "No Biggies", right? I just wanted everyone to see that I would be willing to make some concessions. I swear, I"M NOT A WHINER!!!!! Keep up the good work!jm

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