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Author: Stephen |
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Date Posted: 07:32:47 03/15/08 Sat In reply to: jw 's message, "Re: Oh come on now. You supported Bush and all that he wanted" on 19:32:37 03/13/08 Thu Perhaps a capitalist system based on profit without accountability does not breed politicians that care about the public-at-large. Be that as it may, the European system seems to be very healthy right now. German (a country that nobidy thouyght would make it after the fall of USSR) had a budget surplus last year, the price of gasoline and diesel has not changed there, the cost of wheat has not doubled as it has here in the States. And I can still get an excellent bottle of wine for around two Euros. lol But I must agree, the American political system is one built on corruption and greed. There is a lot of money to be made and the political system is funded by the same people who want to make money. So it has to be corrupt. It is stupid to think otherwise. But that does not mean that things cannot be better. Europe. >"And please don't pretend that when someone >you support gets in office it's going to be very >different. We've been alive for a wee bit now and you >can't honestly tell me that things have ever gone the >way your imagination believes it should." > > There are some very big differences between now and >anything that has happened in the last 30 years, we >are now in very big trouble, whoever is elected or >appointed will have to change the course of this >nation, and they will have to use big government, >regulation, and a much more progressive tax structure >to help us recover from the bush catastrophe. I >lifted this paragraph below from BEV's post which >describes bush treasury secretery Paulison's sudden >about face on government regulation of the financial >industry - > > >"WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- You know things are very >very bad on Wall Street when a guy like Henry Paulson >-- Treasury secretary, solid Republican, and former >Goldman Sachs CEO -- joins the crowd calling for more >regulation over the financial markets. >Paulson spared no one in his criticism Thursday of the >excesses of deregulation that has now created the >worst global financial crisis in a generation, >threatening the health of the U.S. economy, the >savings of millions of Americans, and the survival of >some of the biggest financial institutions in the >world." > > This pretty much says it all! We are in an >extremely desperate situation now, the economy is >beginnning to collapse, led by hyper-inflation of >commodities and the collapse of the dollar, increased >by a maniac federal reserve that fuels this crisis by >lowering interest rates. When fed chairman paul >volker was in the same situation in 1980, he kept >raising interest rates until he licked inflation, and >it worked. It is hard to say if volker's action led >to the 82 recession, the interest rates dropped along >with inflation before that recession started, but he >kept the currency stable, which is essential for a >country to survive. Bush and bernanke are destroying >the financial foundation of the country, we have >massive inflation and a severe recession at the same >time. > > Reagan did not change everything at once, but the >economic structure of america is very different today >than it was when reagan took power. It is certain >that the next president will have to reverse the >course reagan started, as bush's treasury secretary >paulison indicates in his comments above. There are >huge differences in the direction the dems and repubs >want to go in, americans are more aware of this than >they have been in a long time, this will be the most >interesting election in a long time, perhaps post ww2. > > >>Actually I'm alot more consistent then you are. And i >>do support Bush, but don't think we as a people don't >>carry the responsibilities of our own actions. Not >>just about what you want to pick and chose, but >>everything. And please don't pretend that when someone >>you support gets in office it's going to be very >>different. We've been alive for a wee bit now and you >>can't honestly tell me that things have ever gone the >>way your imagination believes it should. Bush clinton, >>reagon, charter. keep going. It's always pretty much >>business as usual. Stay ahead of everyone else at any >>cost. Do you really want to rehash the same old >>arguements we've had for 10 years? >> >>>You have consistently argued Bush's position. And now >>>you are blaming all Americans for ignoring the >>>constitution, starting wars, etc. etc.? You must be >>>insane. >>> >>>>Bush?? It's been like that since the day we were >>born. >>>>Capitalism has been and always will be brutal. As >far >>>>as that Rush guy i don't listen to him so the flood >>>>gates are lost on me, but I do know a lost soul when >>I >>>>see one. That would be you. >>>> >>>>>Go back and read what I wrote. Actually, there are >>>>>many who are taking the wealth of the people to >>stuff >>>>>their own pockets. Capitalism is brutal. Always has >>>>>been. Except now, people like Rush Limbaugh have >>>>>opened the flood gates so they can insult you, >while >>>>>Bush and co have opened the hell gates so the >>>>>government can now take away any remaining liberty >>>and >>>>>freedoms that you had without having to own up to >>any >>>>>authority. >>>>> >>>>>We are like cattle on a dairy farm breed only to >>>>>produce wealth for those in control. >>>>> >>>>>>Stephen, please you have always been a bit of a >>>>>>fanatic, but you still don't believe that the >world >>>>is >>>>>>consumer driven. Humans buy what they want with no >>>>>>concern. You needed your SUV right? To blame all >>>your >>>>>>woes on one man is just plain ignorant. As far as >>>>your >>>>>>other rant. i think that question was put to one >of >>>>>>the morons running for president. "If you knew the >>>>guy >>>>>>knew where the bomb was". the answer is yes. Give >>me >>>>>>about 10 minutes and you'll know the location of >>>that >>>>>>device. And all those staring residents were >>>starving >>>>>>already while sadam had a sweet time. Where was >the >>>>>>responsibility of those residents while he was >>>>running >>>>>>amock with himself? We will never agree on this. >>>>Lucky >>>>>>for you people like me served to provide you with >>>>your >>>>>>sheltered life. >>>>>> >>>>>>>So you too believe that the government should be >>>>able >>>>>>>to torture people? I would say that people like >>you >>>>>>>are getting >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Of course they were screwing and/or shooting >>>>anything >>>>>>>that moved laying siege to cities, first starving >>>>the >>>>>>>residents, and then methodically killing the >>males, >>>>>>>torturing people in prisons, ripping off national >>>>>>>treasures, and all this in good fun. And so they >>>>>>>captured Saddam for you and murdered, raped, and >>>>>>>otherwise maimed hundreds of thousands of >innocent >>>>>>>men, women and children so you could have your >>>>>flippen >>>>>>>entertainment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Besides these bs stories you give us, how the >flip >>>>to >>>>>>>you sleep at night? You can't honestly believe >>this >>>>>>>crap you feed me, can you? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>And what is most interesting is that politians, >>>like >>>>>>>Bush, Cheney, and numerous conservative >>>congressmen, >>>>>>>have so brainwashed and polarized our society and >>>>>made >>>>>>>it OK for people to harm each other. People who >>>>>>>support them march in lock-step that they will >not >>>>>>>break, even when all the evidence stares them in >>>the >>>>>>>face… like that which is happening here with you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Ya, we do get what we deserve for listening to >the >>>>>>>likes of Bush! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>for being such a brainiac professor you sure do >>>>have >>>>>>a >>>>>>>>short memory. >>>>>>>>yes i wanted sadam removed and i didn't care >>about >>>>>>>>MWD's. as far as passing laws to force people to >>>do >>>>>>>>what's right? That actually proves my point. No >>>>self >>>>>>>>control what so ever. We get what we deserve. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>So you believe that it is simply human nature >>and >>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>>Bush's policies toward debt and regulation have >>>>>>>>>nothing to do with this? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>So you believe we should have invaded Iraq? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I suppose you feel that Iraq is still hiding >>>those >>>>>>>>WMD? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>And that banking should have been deregulated? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>And that we should continue to torture people? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>And that Bush's government should ignore >>>>>>>>conservation? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>And they should not pay atention to changes in >>>the >>>>>>>>>environment? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>And that we should continue to pass laws that >>>rape >>>>>>>>>what little wealth the American public had >>>>>>>accumulated >>>>>>>>>under Clinton in order to stuff the banks of >the >>>>>>>>>wealthy? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Yes. I expected nothing less from you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>We are what we are because we consume >>everything >>>>>in >>>>>>>>>>our path and justify it anyway we want. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>It's alright. I expected you to be just the >>way >>>>>>you >>>>>>>>>>>are. And that is why we are as we are today. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>So I feel good about being right, just as I >>was >>>>>>>>>>>absolutely right about you. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>If we wait long enough you'll probably be >>>right >>>>>>>>>about >>>>>>>>>>>>the world ending. LOL >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I think the Bush rape of the US economy has >>>>>>>>reached >>>>>>>>>>>>>the breaking point. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>The only consolation is that we saw this >>>>>coming. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |