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Author: Duncan7 |
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Date Posted: 09:28:44 07/11/07 Wed In reply to: jw 's message, "Re: See sicko, this movie is going to change many attitudes" on 19:41:01 07/10/07 Tue Wanna bet? Nothing is free L nothing. I'm sure they would come up with some very colorful ways to pay for it. And those ways would be the teller. You may want to look into the eduactional background of the 2 you name before you put your eggs in their basket. What they say and what they know are 2 different things and i'd be surprised if moore can balance his own check book. These 2 guys just figured out how to make money off of people like you and that is the only success they enjoy. > I would gladly vote for moore, and you can throw in >al frankin also. I may not agree with everthing they >stand for, but they would not be the catastrophe bush >and the republicans are. > >>Moore is an idiot and as fat as he is certainly needs >>health care. Maybe he'll run for office and fix all >>your problems. >> >>> I know people who are working very hard, usually >>>white collar jobs with college degrees, and have no >>>medical coverage, or they need to have their spouse >>>work at a non-profit org. for medical coverage, this >>>is very common, it is unheard of in europe. I know >of >>>people who have had to fight insurance companies for >>>the medical coverage they were entitled to, this does >>>not happen in europe. These people do not waste >money >>>on frivolous things, i am sure there are people out >>>there who don't have medical and waste money, but it >>>is not the people i know. >>> >>> Why should the corperate executives who run >private >>>health insurance companies get paid hundreds of >>>millions of dollars a year to deny a third of >>>americans good medical coverage? Why do modern >>>democratic countries like france, germany, england, >>>japan, norway, etc. provide their citizens with >>>excellent universal health coverage at a much lower >>>cost than our private, for profit health care system >>>which completely denies 50 million americans >coverage, >>>under insures another 50 million, and overpays the >>>business crooks who deny these people medical >>coverage? >>> >>> A government run medical insurance system will >>>attempt to provide medical coverage for all people, a >>>private, for profit medical insurance system will >seek >>>to maximize profit for the executives who run the >>>corporation, just like any corporation. >>> >>> America is a free, democratic country, when we see >>>other countries doing things better than we do, we >>>follow their example. When the japaneese make better >>>cars, we either duplicate them, or we buy their >cars. >>>Likewise, when western europe, canada and japan have >>>superior government run national health care systems, >>>we should attempt to duplicate their success! Moore >>>made exactly this point at the end of sicko, and i >>>agreed 100%. >>> >>> >>>>What it is is about who is paying for it. I'm >>>>certainly not interested in people who will buy a >>>>playstation while not being able to take care of >>>>themselves properly or go out and buy an SUV and >>>>foreclose on their homes 6 months later. Health care >>>>is not "free" anywhere in the world it's just paid >>for >>>>differently. You are just convincing yourself that >>>>europe is some kind of wonderland. It isn't and >their >>>>poverty level is on par with ours if not worse. I >>>>don't know what state you live in but around here >any >>>>child can be taken anywhere for emergency health >care >>>>rather they have insurance or not so it would appear >>>>on the surface that this is just something else you >>>>really don't have any experience in but always >>believe >>>>the worst? Why is that? Is it really that much >easier >>>>to believe there is something wrong with your >country >>>>without really knowing what is available? >>>> >>>>> I know too many people who have not put >>themselves >>>>>in that position, i even know a few republicans who >>>do >>>>>not have health coverage and need it desperately, >>the >>>>>only thing i blame them for is voting republican. >>>>> >>>>> What is your proposal for the majority of >>>americans >>>>>who do not have health coverage, or have inadaquate >>>>>coverage, which is about a third of all americans? >>>>>What do we do about those people who work hard but >>do >>>>>not make enough money to pay for health care, do >>they >>>>>deserve to die because "the free market" deemed >them >>>>>not worthy of having health care? >>>>> >>>>> Do you have statistics for the number of people >>>>>trying to immigrate to america and europe? And >what >>>>>countries do those people come from? I know of >many >>>>>people from central america, russia, china, india, >>>and >>>>>pakistan living in new york, i do not know that >many >>>>>french, german, japaneese or english immigrants, is >>>>>there a reason why only people from dirt poor >>>>>countries want to come here, not people who live in >>>>>modern democratic countries with national health >>care >>>>>and other social benifits that we americans are >>>>>deprived of? when I was young we did have alot of >>>>>west european immigrants in new york, but now it is >>>>>much less common. My old neighborhood was largly >>>from >>>>>western european countries, it became korean, now >it >>>>>is becomming chinese, at least things are still >>>better >>>>>here than in china. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Alot of americans put themselves in that position. >>>>>>They buy beyond their means and blame the rest of >>>>>>society for it. I've been in the private and >public >>>>>>sectors and the same holds true in both areas. It >>>>>>comes down to the choices you make and frankly if >>>you >>>>>>make a bad choice you pay the price. If you >believe >>>>>>those places are so much better you owe it to >>>>yourself >>>>>>to go there. The lines are much shorter to get in >>>>then >>>>>>they are here. Wonder why that is? Maybe you just >>>>>>think it's better. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I know people who live in europe and canada, >>and >>>>>it >>>>>>>is much better over there. Unlike most >americans, >>>>>>>europeans actually have vacations, and they >>>travel. >>>>>>>Common europeans take one month long vacations, >>>they >>>>>>>actually see the world, something that is unheard >>>of >>>>>>>for most over-worked americans. Because >americans >>>>>are >>>>>>>constantly working hard so the priveleged few can >>>be >>>>>>>filthy rich, they do not get a chance to see how >>>>much >>>>>>>better people in free democratic countries live. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is the duty of any patriotic american to >>work >>>>>to >>>>>>>make america a better place for all people, and i >>>>>will >>>>>>>work to improve america by having big business >and >>>>>the >>>>>>>rich pay their fair share so we all can have good >>>>>>>health coverage and other social benifits that >>free >>>>>>>democratic countries provide for their people. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"Falling behind" is a bit realativistic don't >you >>>>>>>>think? I'm doing pretty well and so are you. To >>>>make >>>>>>a >>>>>>>>movie edited to meet the authors point of view >>>>isn't >>>>>>>>my idea of getting ahead and never will be. I've >>>>>>lived >>>>>>>>in europe and they don't have it any better then >>>we >>>>>>do >>>>>>>>they just have it differently. If that suits you >>>>I'm >>>>>>>>sure there is housing available to you. I prefer >>>to >>>>>>>>live here in america. If I had the same >attitudes >>>>>>that >>>>>>>>some of you do i wouldn't live here, but that >has >>>>>>>>always been the difference between us. If I >don't >>>>>>like >>>>>>>>america I can always go somewhere else. You >would >>>>>>>>rather take all the bad things and put a >>spotlight >>>>>on >>>>>>>>them as if there is no good anywhere here or in >>>>>>Moores >>>>>>>>case just lie to suit your needs. That isn't >>>>>reality. >>>>>>>>Change to suit the way you want to live, don't >>>>think >>>>>>>>your going to change things to make me live the >>>way >>>>>>>>you want me to. Especially based on edited film >>>>that >>>>>>>>says what ever they want it to. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah, for too long everyone believed that >>line >>>>>>big >>>>>>>>>business keeps feeding us that americans have >it >>>>>>>>>better than anyone else in the world, there are >>>no >>>>>>>>>alternatives to our capitalist system. It is >>>very >>>>>>>>>hard for many americans to accept that our >>>society >>>>>>is >>>>>>>>>falling far behind most democratic countries, >>but >>>>>we >>>>>>>>>must face reality if we are going to use our >>>>>freedom >>>>>>>>>for the better. Katrina forced many americans >>to >>>>>>>>>confront the reality of our social decline, >>>>"sicko" >>>>>>>is >>>>>>>>>the next logical step, but without the damage >of >>>>>>>>>katrina. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>It's amazing how you can edit to make people >>say >>>>>>>>>>whatever you want them to isn't it? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The movie was both extremely sad and >>>>>hilarious, >>>>>>>>>but >>>>>>>>>>>it was an extremely important look at the >>>>>failures >>>>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>>>>cruelty of our for-profit health care >system. >>>I >>>>>>>>>>>regret to say that from the stories of people >>i >>>>>>>know >>>>>>>>>>>personally, this documentary is accurate. >>Many >>>>>>>>>>>americans buy the line that we have it the >>>best, >>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>>>>is the furthest from the truth, america is in >>>>>>>social >>>>>>>>>>>decline, it is time we confront this reality >>in >>>>>>>>order >>>>>>>>>>>to better ourselves, that is the spirit of >>>>>freedom >>>>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>>>>democracy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Micheal moore has done an awesome job in >>>>>making >>>>>>>>>his >>>>>>>>>>>point, it is not likely that anyone could >have >>>>>>done >>>>>>>>a >>>>>>>>>>>better job in 2 hours, the movie is a great >>>>>>service >>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>>>our country, it is our patriotic duty to see >>>it, >>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>>>>do what we can to bring proper health care to >>>>all >>>>>>>>>>>americans. 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