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Date Posted: 19:20:10 08/28/07 Tue In reply to: L 's message, "Re: No doubt..." on 20:45:46 08/25/07 Sat I strongly agree with you on the last statement, it is survival instinct and not "capitalism" or economics that will bring about the change in human nature that is necessary to deal with global warming and other catastrophes caused by our economic pollution. The survival instinct is collective, we will not survive if we deal with this in our "individualistic" way of life. Also, we will need to make greater reductions in toxic pollution because a world stressed out by global warming - climate change will be more vulnerable to toxic pollution. "We will never be able to understand the arctic or all the forces that shape its existance by measuring the amount of ice it has, you will know it is changing. It has never stopped changing." This is true, but one important aspect of arctic sea ice is that it helps cool the earth, especially the northern hemisphere. Eliminate 2% of the surface of the northern hemisphere, which is 4% of the solid surface of the northern hem, and we greatly reduce the ability to cool ourselves. A loss of a few percent may not seem like much, but this is absolute temperature, which is around 450 degrees farenhieght, just a few percent change is alot of degrees, with devestating consequences. Water does not radiate heat nearly as well as land or ice, melting sea ice will greatly reduce the amount of heat radiated into space, in addition to absorbing more sunlight. >I think the "carbon offsetting" scheme will create a >pollution economy and by pairing public and private >regulation it will act further to erode stewardship. >It will not directly act on pollution or lower our >toxic load. It places everything under managed care >and you see how well that works in healthcare. It is >not surprising that wilderness, especially the arctic >region presents such a challenge. It is really too >fragile to withstand managed care. The mistake is >that scientific thought is considered valid enough to >make assumptions about ecosystems or the natural >world. You see the affects of these assumptions all >around you. As nature disappears before your eyes >people are comforted by assumptions. We will never be >able to understand the arctic or all the forces that >shape its existance by measuring the amount of ice it >has, you will know it is changing. It has never >stopped changing. I think one of the most interesting >things I have learned from science is how the emperor >penguins have survived for thousands of years in >arctic conditions isolated from mankind. If we use >this knowledge to restore ourselves then science has >done a good deed. If we think we can improve and in >anyway influence this in a better way then it is just >another mistake. > >If you haven't seen March of the Penguins, I recommend >it. > >I have some difficulty seeing capitalism or economy as >a natural practice or force shaping human behavior. I >will have to think about survival as a force for >change a bit more. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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