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Date Posted: 02:08:07 05/15/04 Sat
Author: ExUBFerCincinnnati
Subject: UBF life in Cincinnati

Hi, I'm an ex-UBFer from Cincinnati, Ohio. I was in Cincinnati, UBF from 1996-2003. I have to say I have been reading this web site for quite a while now and I think it is time for me to write a little about my expereince with UBF. Like all of you I have experienced some of the same manipulation, and betrayl that you all have. But from I understood experience in Cincinnati is somewhat different than those who come from Chicago UBF. Down here Msn. Sam Zun is the chapter director and we had more autonomity and freedom that other chapters closer to Chicago did not experience, HOWEVER that dosen't mean it didn't have its problems either. Cincinnati UBF may have been kinder but there was still the high pressure to bring new sheep to Bible study, and no matter what make sure you're at every UBF function, to so otherwise was to be spiritually lazy and sinful. Ok high pressure from UBF is nothing new, so I guess the point behind this post is this; Like most people, if not all, I did not leave UBF under good circumstances either and I want to know how did I get suckered into this ministry/cult? I ask this because even though I went through the whole "sheep" to "shepard" thing much of the inner workings of UBF I was not exposed to and so for the longest time I believed in the ministry, it wasn't until the end that the truth shined on me, and since leaving the ministry I have to admit it hasn't been easy, though I am thankful not to be there. I do honestly believe that there are many people in UBF that do love God and have a sincere heart for lost students, but like myself I believe that they have in some way or another been manipulated or loaded with so much false doctrine that it prevents them from knowing that they are being manipulated and seeing UBF for what it is.
BTW I have two questions to the people who post here. Are the gross problems and cover ups a thing that is a major problem with Chicago UBF or is it also a problem with the other chapters that are further away from Chicago. Like I said Cincinnati had it alot easier than Chicago did. Also back in 2000 we in Cincinnati were encouraged to give a special offering to help the poor people of North Korea, howver almost a year after doing that MSN. Sam Zun said the money"simply could not be delivered." with no further explanation. Yet After I went to Samuel Lee's funeral in 2002 I learned of the authoriatrian way he would handled money for his own purposes, from one of the Shepard's, and so I am wondering does anyone know if the money could not be given for legitamate reasons or was it just being used for his own purposes. Thank You and hope to hear from you.

In Christ,

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