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Date Posted: 00:34:17 10/15/04 Fri
Author: Shane
Subject: Re: Systematic Obedience Training
In reply to: PECAS 's message, "Systematic Obedience Training" on 21:11:16 10/14/04 Thu

Are there any examples? My friend, we could fill a book with examples. What you described is standard operating procedure in UBF and has gone on for decades. While in UBF for seven years, I saw missionaries choose majors, life long marriage partners, jobs and many other things for 'shepherds'.

The issue of being led by the Holy SPirit as opposed to following orders of your 'shepherd' was raised by 'shepherds' in the LA UBF. The missionaries scoffed at such an idea. They believed that the Holy Spirit would only work through the pyramid structure of UBF. And if you tried to make decisions outside of the pyramid structure, you were then outside of the will of the Holy Spirit.

If you hold to the pyramid model, the people at the top have enourmous power.

PECAS, I would really like to read your story. Can you tell us anything about your experience?

Shane

>Systematic Obedience Training
>
>I am a member of UBF who left this year. I have read
>much of the posting and testimonies on this site.
>This is my first post on the rsqubf forum. I was not
>certain whether this post should be a new thread or a
>reply. I decided to post as a new thread because I
>want to discuss a point that I do not recall reading
>on any recent or archived posts. Please forgive the
>length, but I wanted to be as clear as possible in
>discussing systematic obedience training.
>
>I believe that UBF engages in what I call systematic
>obedience training towards growing sheep and young
>shepherds. If a growing sheep or young shepherd had
>some personal decision regarding their life, even if
>it would be acceptable to UBF, their shepherd woud
>automatically respond that this was 'your own idea' or
>'human thinking'. The shepherd would respond this way
>because the shepherd does not want the sheep to think
>that he or she came make personal decisions by simply
>praying to God and following the guidance of the Holy
>Spirit. If the shepherd encourages the sheep that
>their personal decision is correct, then the sheep
>would develop a habit of personally praying/struggling
>with God rather than obeying the direction of their
>shepherd, fellowship leader, and chapter director.
>Thus, UBF shepherds would not be able to manipulate
>the sheep to absolutely obey their direction. One of
>the UBF heritages from Samuel Lee is spiritual order.
>The shepherd, fellowship director,and/or chapter
>director must give the direction and the sheep
>follows. Therefore, I am arguing that in order to
>foster an environment in which sheep learn to
>absolutely obey their shepherds or follow the
>spiritual order, the shepherd will systematically
>rebuff any desire that sheep have regarding their life
>be it mission, family, career, or otherwise. The
>shepherd will then give their own direction and tell
>the sheep to deny his or her personal conviction as
>his or her 'own idea.' The next step is to follow this
>direction as God's will by making a decision of faith.
>
>Let me clarify this point with an example:
>Let's say there is a shepherd named Peter and a sheep
>named Bill. Also assume Shepherd Peter is the chapter
>director.
>Bill begins Bible study with a Christian background.
>Bill tells Shepherd Peter that he wants to be an
>English teacher in China to serve as a short-term
>missionary after he leaves college, then come back to
>the USA to get a PhD and and then pray about whether
>he should be a long-term missionary. Bill would like
>to devote his life to mission, so he does not plan to
>marry. When Bill begins to share testimonies every
>week, Bill talks a lot about his prayer to be an
>English teacher in China and desire to get a PhD that
>God will use for long-term mission.
>UBF wants to raise missionaries and PhD shepherds so
>Shepherd Peter, should be overjoyed about Bill's
>future vision. However, there is one problem. As
>Bill continues to grow in UBF, he needs to be trained
>to absolutely obey his shepherds and follow spiritual
>order. The spiritual order dictates that Bill follow
>the direction of his shepherd. If Bill would follow
>this path, Bill would think that he can make decisions
>through the power of the Holy Spirit and prayer
>without following the direction of Peter. Bill might
>think that he can personal pray about whom to marry or
>where to live when he returns from China. Bill might
>pray and through the Holy Spirit decide to serve in
>another ministry.
>In order to be raised as a good UBF shepherd, Bill
>cannot be allowed to follow through with his own
>personal decisions regarding his life. Therefore,
>Shepherd Peter will give a new direction for Bill.
>Instead of China, Peter will direct Bill to spend one
>year in Korea UBF to receive mission training. Peter
>will tell Bill that going to China was his own idea.
>To be a fruitful or great man of God, he must deny his
>own ideas and obey God through Peter's direction.
>Bill accepts the direction and spends one year in
>Korea. Bill stills intends to come back to the USA to
>earn a PhD. However, when Bill returns from his one
>year mission training, Shepherd Peter directs Bill to
>deny his human ambition to acquire a PhD and marry by
>faith one of the Korean missionaries he met in Korea
>and then establish a house church. Bill would be
>directed to serve the thirsty harvest field at which
>he is located by coworking with Peter. Shepherd Peter
>will direct Bill to find a job to support his new
>family of mission rather than selfishly seeking a PhD.
> Bill repents of his 'human idea' of getting a PhD and
>not thinking of the thirsty sheep at his own
>university. Perhaps, Shepherd Peter reminds Bill of
>how Peter and other coworkers bore with his long
>self-centered testimonies about his own idea of going
>to China and then receiving a PhD.
>Now, Bill is conditioned to obey Shepherd Peter's
>direction for his life. When through personal prayer,
>Bill receives a direction regarding his life, Bill
>will reject it as 'his own himan idea.' Bill will
>only follow the direction of Shepherd Peter. Further,
>when Bill thinks that maybe Shepherd Peter's direction
>is wrong, Bill will dismiss that as his own idea.
>To me, UBF leaders make a conscience effort in the
>manner descibed above to manipulate sheep into obeying
>their shepherd. UBF leaders do this intentionally and
>engrain the disciples they raise to particpate in
>systematic obedience training as well. Any desires
>sheep display will be dismissed as 'their own idea' to
>foster an absolute obedience toward their shepherd.
>It does not matter what the sheep thinks, desires,
>prays about, or has as a future vision. The shepherd
>will manipulate the sheep by rebuffing them and
>providing a new direction.
>
>Does anyone have an example of systematic obedience
>training such as this from their UBF experience or not?
>
>Thank you for the opportunity to post about UBF on
>this forum.
>
>In Christ,
>
>PECAS

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Re: Systematic Obedience Training -- PECAS, 19:09:05 10/15/04 Fri
- Re: Systematic Obedience Training -- Shane, 21:20:31 10/15/04 Fri