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Date Posted: 20:39:22 09/28/04 Tue
Author: former
Subject: Re: ...with a grain of salt
In reply to: Joe 's message, "...with a grain of salt" on 17:30:16 09/28/04 Tue

Karcher says "Either UBF is a dangerous cult or UBF is a Christian fellowship"

This gives you an idea of Toledo UBF thought. Either it is great or it is terrible. Either it is everything or it is nothing. This is the black and white thinking of many UBF members, you are either for them or against them. If you have any criticisms you are automatically under the power of Satan as Brian Karcher points out on his website.

In my opinion, Toledo UBF is not a Christian fellowship. A Christian fellowship recognizes that even its leaders are sinners and are in need of confession and repentance as well as Godly and Biblical church discipline. You will not find that in Toledo UBF. It is as authoritarian and top down as a cult can get. Just because you are love bombed and smiled at a whole lot does not mean it isn't true.

Ask the leadership if they have written by-laws and procedures to limit the authority of the pastor and leaders. Ask about the past alledged abuse of people in UBF. See if you don't see squirming and shuffling.

If it were truly a Christian fellowship, it would deal with all problems past and present in the light of Christ and his word instead of sweeping it all under rugs and denouncing people who speak up as under the power of Satan.

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