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Date Posted: 03:52:48 08/08/04 Sun
Author: Chris
Subject: Re: Your experience
In reply to: Mitch 's message, "Re: Things different about this year's MSU conference" on 01:16:51 08/08/04 Sun

Hello Mitch, thank you for sharing these things with us. We all had similar experiences.

If you thought you wasted four years of your life with this cult, well I wasted ten years with it. We know how recognizing this is like. But don't fall for the "sunken cost" argument: "Because I have already invested so much of my life for UBF, I cannot leave any more." This is only an economical argument (and even there, it's silly and a psychological trap), but we are Christians and free to let go of anything except Christ. And that means we can also let go of UBF if we recognize it is not good spiritually. In the end, that time had also its purpose for you. Everything works for the good. But once we recognize something is bad we should get rid of it and make a step forward.

The way how they persuade you to do certain things is very tricky. Kaleb Hong, European UBF leader, used the following trick: He let you share a "gracious" testimony at one of the big conferences, where in the end, of course, you make a decision to live a life of faith. Then, directly after sharing this testimony in front of hundreds of people, with your emotions being high, he approaches the sheep and asks them something like "How about moving and joining a common-life-appartment with the other shepherds?" Can you say "no" in such a moment? Of course you feel that everything you said in your testimony would be hypocritical if you can't say "yes." Also, the sheep are still high on emotion and can't think clearly. I was reminded of that when I heared about how you were persuaded to sell your house.

Mitch, if you ever think about selling your house, then don't use the money for UBF. These people are just greedy for the money of others. Ask your chapter director why Samuel Lee and all of his cronies owned a large house instead of selling everything and giving it to the poor UBF chapters. Or just go to your chapter director and tell him you have pondered about selling the house and giving 100% of the money for the Bangladesh flood disaster, and then watch his reaction.

Did you see through the trick they are playing with you concerning "Abraham." First, we should ask ourselves whether we are supposed to live like Abraham. The New Testimonies says nowhere that Abraham is the role model for every Christians. But the main thing is how they interpret "Leave your country, your people and your father's household" for you.

Sometimes they interpret it literally as a need for every Christian to "leave his country." I bet they do so with the Korean UBF "missionaries" during their "missionary training."

Sometimes they interpret it literally as a need for every Christian to neglect his parents and move away from them, which cannot be true since it is God's law to honor our parents and care for them (see also Mk 7:9ff).

And sometimes they arbitrarily interpret "leave your country" to be identical with the idea of the leader, such as in his case wanting to use your wealth for UBF, and make your property UBF property. I can see no connection here. "Leave your country" could mean anything for you. But these UBF leaders claim they know what it means. This is very arrogant and dangerous. They are playing the role of the Holy Spirit for you. Strangely, they always interpret it in the context of UBF. I never heared that "leave your country" could mean to leave UBF and join a Christian organization which needs your help more desperately or anything else that would not be for the profit of UBF.

What UBF does here is Bible abuse. They abuse the story about Abraham and everything they can find. They interpret it for you and if you don't follow their interpretation you are not following the Bible. That's the trick they use.

If you want to contact me, go to ubf-info.de and use the email address at the bottom left (just click on the button).

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Re: Your experience -- Mitch, 20:29:53 08/08/04 Sun