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Date Posted: 15:58:39 07/01/04 Thu
Author: TS1970
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Disappointment and Tough Breaks for past BB teams
In reply to: KY Crusader '75 's message, "Re: Texeira & Alcindor?" on 13:36:07 07/01/04 Thu

Actually, having also attended that Friday night game at MSG, I recall it was a 23 point loss, 90-67. Keith Hochstein was ferocious, but it was in vain. Lew Alcindor just had too many easy buckets. Had Ron Texiera played, it would probably have been much closer, but, of course, we'll never know. BC and Bob Kissane put a big scare into UCLA at the Garden the next night (Saturday) and lost by only 8, I believe it was. I guess we had softened UCLA up and tired them out on Friday night. Coach Cousy and BC came damn close to upsetting them.

As a student at the time,I recall being very disappointed that Ron Texiera quit the team sometime prior to that game with UCLA. That disappointment was only matched years later in the 1976-1977 season when I learned that Ron Perry and John O'Connor (6'8" C) were done for the season due to unfortunate injuries and therefore would be unable to play in our first round, NCAA Tournamnet game against Ricky Green and the U of Michigan Wolverines at Bloomington, Indiana. Even without them, our Crusader team (Mike Vincens, Chris Potter, Charlie Brown and Billy? Doran...don't recall the others) was up by 1 at the half but finally lost that nationally televised game by 11, I believe. Had Perry and O'Connor been healthy and played, I am convinced we would have beaten Michigan and advanced.

I know injuries are a large part of the game, but those came at a very crucial time for HC and were a devastatingly bad break for those players and for HC. Michigan did make it to the final 4 in that tournament, but I don't recall if it won the championship or not. Does anyone know or can someone please look that up?

IN HOC SIGNO VINCES.

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In 77marquette Beats UNC . Good reference -- Ted Delta, 18:03:51 07/01/04 Thu

A good reference for validating fading memories id the infoplease Almanac .
http://www.infoplease.com/ipsa/A0747185.html
Al Mc Quire's Marguette team with Jerome Whitehead knocked off Mike O'Koren (Jersey City guy ) and Walt Davis North Carolina team in final

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[> [> [> '77 memories -- BeatBC (..and PC), 10:11:13 07/02/04 Fri

I spent a lot of time watching that 76-77 team (and have the grades to prove it) - HC beat then-8th ranked PC (for the 2nd time that season)for the NE ECAC bid and our reward was that first rounder against #1 ranked Michigan. I believe that was our last win against a Top-10 team

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[> [> [> Disappointment and Tough Breaks for past BB teams -- TS1970, 14:51:39 07/02/04 Fri

Sorry. I was wrong. Michigan only made it to the Elite 8, not the Final Four, in that 76-77 season (when HC played the Wolverines in that first round game) and was knocked out of the tournament by NC-Charlotte (Cornbread Maxwell was on its team) in the Mid-East Regional Final. However, you are right. Michigan had been ranked #1 in the nation after the regular season.

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[> [> [> Re: Michigan game -- Rick, 12:29:25 07/06/04 Tue

Pete Beckenbach....AIR, he played pretty well in Perry's absense, no ?

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[> [> [> Disappointment and Tough Breaks for past BB teams -- TS1970, 13:59:44 07/06/04 Tue

Sorry, Rick, I don't recall who played in Ron Perry's absence. You have a better memory than I if you can recall that. What I do remember was the feeling that fate had dealt us some lousy cards again. I felt it was bad luck and a great disappointment that two of HC's star players (Perry and O'Connor) were unavailable when HC, for the first time in years, had a really powerful team that, if healthy, was capable of making a run in the tournament.

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[> [> [> [> To: TS -- Rick, 15:34:09 07/06/04 Tue

Beckenbach - Recall him coming to HC after breaking most of Rick Barry's scoring records at Roselle HS in New Jersey. Prior to Perry's injury, I think he was our 3rd-4th guard.

O'Connor - Very underrated player who I thought was terrific ( great leeper/rebounder ) that year. AIR, he tore his Achillies(sp) tendon just before the Michigan game and was never the same player in his senior season.

Lousy hand dealt us for sure....I also believe we cudda taken Michigan as well at full strength.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: HC/Michigan -- timholycross, 09:15:43 07/09/04 Fri

For some reason, this game popped into my head last night.

We had a player named (no kidding) Charlie Browne. Curt Gowdy was broadcasting the game for NBC and kept calling him "George".

Charlie's career was hampered by a recurring foot injury, as I recall. He did contribute a lot down the stretch in that 76-77 season; plus a couple of years later he played a big part in a HC win at BC.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: HC/Michigan -- timholycross, 09:16:12 07/09/04 Fri

For some reason, this game popped into my head last night.

We had a player named (no kidding) Charlie Browne. Curt Gowdy was broadcasting the game for NBC and kept calling him "George".

Charlie's career was hampered by a recurring foot injury, as I recall. He did contribute a lot down the stretch in that 76-77 season; plus a couple of years later he played a big part in a HC win at BC.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: HC/Michigan -- HC '85, 09:45:15 07/09/04 Fri

Also remember Gowdy calling Michael Vicens

"VINcens" throughout the game.

By the end of the broadcast my whole family was ready to throw our 19" B&W TV out the window Gowdy was so bad!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Gowdy-Worst Announcer Ever -- KY Crusader '75, 10:54:49 07/09/04 Fri

Curt Gowdy must have been quite the politician because he surely was one of the worst announcers ever to assault a microphone. I grew up with him as the Red Sox announcer and, fittingly, he left the Red Sox to go national just before the Sox improbably won the 1967 pennant with Ken Coleman behind the mike. Gowdy butchered every name other than Smith or Jones. The network would school him before games, literally instruct him on how to pronounce ethnic names and he just fell back on his convenient goober mispronunciations. My favorite was Lynn Shackleford of UCLA, a long name, but one easily broken down into syllables: Shack-Ell-Ford. For Gowdy it was Shackafa. Gowdy complemented the butchering of names with a nasal voice and lack of insight: he was the whole package of ineptness.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Gowdy-Worst Announcer Ever -- Gowdy or Fouracre?, 11:15:27 07/09/04 Fri

Pick your Poison. Who would you rather have announce a basketball game?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Gowdyism -- sader1970, 13:30:22 07/09/04 Fri

While watching a basketball game during my days at HC, there was a NCAA final on TV and Gowdy said about one player: "He's the only senior of the 4 starting seniors on this team." I never could figure out what he was trying to say but, more importantly, no one ever whispered in his ear from the control booth to ask him to clarify what he just said or what he meant.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Gowdy-Worst Announcer Ever -- HC '85, 14:05:20 07/09/04 Fri

Did a quick google search and found the following at anecdotage.com

Sportscaster Curt Gowdy once recapped the final score of an All-Star baseball game. "And at the game's end, it's National League 6, American League 4," he declared. "The score again is American League 6 and National League 4."

I guess it is a tough call between Fouracre & Gowdy!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Gowdy-Worst Announcer Ever -- not close...4-acre the worst, 15:24:51 07/09/04 Fri

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Gowdy-Worst Announcer Ever -- Gowdy, Murphy & Martin - among the best, 15:45:29 07/09/04 Fri

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Gowdy-Worst Announcer Ever -- timholycross, 21:08:25 07/10/04 Sat

I'm 52. The Curt Gowdy of the 60's and early 70's was a great broadcaster. He was toast* by the time of the aforementioned game vs. Michigan.

Plus, as ABC did with Al Michaels (doing the NBA finals) this year, the guy was over-used, plugged into events that he didn't have much to do with.

*don't know why- booze, boredom, eyesight, no idea which. He wasn't that old, late 50's at most.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Gowdy-Worst Announcer Ever -- hc69, 14:48:31 07/12/04 Mon

Growing up in CT, I listened to Mel Allen do the Yankees and Red Barber and Vin Scully do the Dodgers, as well as Gowdy and the Sox. When the Dodgers headed west, Barber joined Allen to make up what was probably the best team of baseball announcers ever. I don't think a lot of people know that Gowdy announced Yankee games with Allen before getting the Sox job. He was a good baseball announcer, but I don't think his knowledge of baseball was as extensive as that of Allen and Barber (who was an award-winning sports columnist as well). His knowledge of basketball was less, and listening to him announce AFL football games (with Al DeRogatis?) bordered on torture.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Gowdy -- Rick, 22:52:15 07/12/04 Mon

Yea but he was great hosting 'American Sportsman' when he and Ted Williams would go deep sea fishing !

Didn't Gowdy work with Paul Christman as his color man for the AFL games ?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: HC/Michigan -- TS1970, 00:42:29 07/10/04 Sat

I think I am also guilty of bad spelling and referring to Michael Vicens as Michael "V-i-n-c-e-n-s." Wasn't the USS Vincens the naval vessel that was boarded and seized by the North Koreans in international waters many years ago? The N. Koreans "claimed" it was spying in their waters. What year was that incident? Wasn't that also in the 70's? How's your memory? Mine is #&*^*#@$!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: HC/Michigan -- TS1970, 01:17:27 07/10/04 Sat

I know the USS PUEBLO was seized in 1968 by the North Koreans, but I sort of recall something happening to a US naval vessel I thought was named the VINCENS. I don't know. Maybe Alzheimer's has already begun to set in.........lol.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Vincens -- sader1970, 06:47:26 07/10/04 Sat

TS, the Vincens was the ship that was "accidently" hit by Iraqi missles during the Iran-Iraq war with much loss of life. The USA was a non-combatant in that war though we supplied weapons and intelligence to the Iraqis since we were against Iran (Iraq was an "enemy to my enemy and therefore, my friend"). Why you remember it was because after the ship came home and was repaired, the command of the ship was taken over by one of our classmates.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Vincens -- TS1970, 22:27:37 07/10/04 Sat

THANKS for taking the time to explain. Now it all makes sense why that name "Vincens" was stuck in there. Yes, now I do remember reading in Crossroads at some point about the change in command of that ship and the HC connection.

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[> [> [> [> Charlie Browne -- BeatBC, 10:54:04 07/09/04 Fri

Charlie Browne had, for me, the signature play of that Michigan game with a basket in the closing seconds of the first half to give us the half-time lead.

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[> [> [> [> [> "signature play"?--vicens slam!!- best in 40 yrs? -- hchoops, 16:54:08 07/11/04 Sun

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