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Date Posted: 17:34:06 07/01/04 Thu
Author: sader1970
Subject: Re: Ron Teixeira - sader 1970
In reply to:
Rick
's message, "Re: Ron Teixeira - sader 1970" on 14:07:47 07/01/04 Thu
Rick, thanks for correcting my screwing up coach Donahue's name. I'm mortified as I was a big Donahue fan. And now that I'm home and can look it up, the final score of the UCLA game was 90-67. That '67-'68 season ended with a 15-8 record but the team was only 7-5 going into the game. Following the UCLA loss, the team ran off 8 straight wins including an 89-82 victory over nationally ranked BC, Syracuse, U. Conn and Providence before losing the last two to St. John's and a close loss (90-87) to BC.
About the UCLA game from the 1968 Purple Patcher: "Before a large Madison Square Garden crowd, the squad showed long-awaited spirit and finesse against Mr. Alcindor & Friends, although it was a 90-67 losing cause. However, their respectable performances supplied the fillip to carry them through the roughest line-up on the schedule, and in a winning fashion at that. Siudut again, whose late season surge brought him All-East honors weeke after week, led the pack with 36 points in downing B.U. Then the most glorious of contests followed as the Crusaders stunned nationally-ranked BC, 89-82. Siudut and Hochstein poured in 30 points apiece (editorial comment : wouldn't we like anyone with that kind of scoring ability on today's team? and there was no 3 point shot then), it was the first victory over the Eagles in four years, and Keith was the tenth man to join the Holy Cross 100-point club."
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To: 1970 Re: the UCLA game -- Rick, 13:10:52 07/06/04 Tue
I attended the game as well....
Correct me if I'm wrong but AIR the Bruins came out a little flat and HC actually led 6-2 in the opening minutes prompting the pro-underdog/HC MSG crowd to go into a cheering frenzy ( your's truly included ). Coach Wooden called an angry time-out and really let his troops have it on their bench and....well....that was that as far as the outcome being in any doubt.
BTW, didn't Hochstein and Alcindor nearly come to blows that night ? Keith ( listed at 6'4" 220 ) didn't back down to anyone but thankfully for Hochstein, the then 7'2" 235lb. Alcindor just went about playing the game.
That UCLA team....I believe had Alcindor with 5'11" Lucious Allen and 6'1" Mike Warren ( later an actor of 'Hill Street Blues' fame ) in the backcourt with 6'5" Lynn Shackelford ( what a shooter ! ) and I think 6'7" 225lb. Mike Lynne at the forwards. Four of the five were AA's that year !
BC really played them tough the following night with 6'7" 225lb. Terry Driscoll, 6'9" 220lb. Jim Kissane ( HC's Bob's older brother ) and another 6'8" guy whose name escapes me, being better able to go toe to toe up front with the Bruins than we were sans Teixiera. I think BC lost by only 14-15 points or so.
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Re: the UCLA game - another question? -- BeatBC, 15:08:51 07/06/04 Tue
...wasn't this also the first college basketball game at the new Madison Square Garden?
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Re: the UCLA game - another question? -- Rick, 15:44:07 07/06/04 Tue
Beat -
I think it was supposed to be but I believe completion of the new MSG was delayed and these games wound up at the old building....without checking the HC archives, I'm not 100% sure about this.
BTW, over my workbench at home I still have 2 never used peel-off/stick-on 'BEAT BC' auto bumper stickers circa the early 80's. Guess they qualify as collector's items, eh ?
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To Rick -- BeatBC, 10:54:45 07/07/04 Wed
...I have the same sticker - I used several on cars in the 80's - have one left, proudly displayed amongst other sports memorabilia (including a framed ticket stub from the '77 35-20 shellacking of BC @ Fitton - the only time I ever saw us beat BC in football) - sigh...'Beat Marist' will never have the same ring...
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Re: BC games -- Rick, 11:57:02 07/08/04 Thu
It still irks me that I didn't attend that BC-HC game in '77.
Was it true that only 12,000 or so were in attendance at Fitton ( believe we were a 4-5 TD dog going in ) for the kick-off but by the start of the 4th quarter the crowd had swelled to 15,000+ via the then radio broadcasts and ABC flashing the score on it's college football telecast early that afternoon ?
I DID see the 30-29 triller at old Alumni Stadium which featured Glenn Verette's last minute game-saving interception in our endzone....Man, beating BC at Alumni was sweet !
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Re: BC games -- BeatBC, 10:48:04 07/09/04 Fri
12K+ sounds about right, it was definitely the smallest BC-game crowd I was ever part of. Not sure about the crowd increase during the game. it was Thanksgiving weekend so no students on campus but many were probably close enough to show up after halftime....certainly no-one left early. Hell, I remember how great I felt just seeing us up at half (21-20?)....remains the only time I ever rushed a field after a game.....was away with the Navy for the '78 game - didn't BC end up 0-11 that year?
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Re: Ron Teixeira - sader 1970 -- TS1970, 14:52:18 07/06/04 Tue
Great memory, Rick. Yes, I do recall we had a very brief lead early in the UCLA game. Also, I knew there was a Kissane on the BC team at the time, but you're right. It was Jim not Bob. I also thought that the final score of the BC-UCLA game was closer than a 14-15 point spread, but I am not sure. I do think I recall BC had gotten as close as 8 points in the closing minutes, but the final margin of BC's defeat may have been more than 8. Does anyone have the official final score?
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disagree -- hchoops, 20:33:56 07/06/04 Tue
i saw tex's frosh games and i do not think he would have made any difference in that ucla game,which i also saw--other fans who booed lewie were nyc people who wanted him to stay in nyc at st.john's--tex was not a good post-up player-he had small hands for a 6-9 player-keith h. was ineffective in the post vs lewie(as was everyone else)but he was effective against most of our opponents(i saw most of his sophomore and junior games,and some of his senior ones)
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Re: Ron Teixeira -- sader1970, 19:03:41 07/06/04 Tue
There have been multiple MSGs over the years. The UCLA game was NOT the first at a "new" MSG.
I, too, recall that HC had a quick, very short lead over the then #2 team in the country. I also recall our guards, in particular, outplaying All Americans Hill Street Blues Warren and Lucius Allen because we breezed through their full court press and scored more points. I also recall Keith ready to mix it up with Alcindor and, to use a hockey theme, I was of the impression that Keith would have been happy to have been ejected from the game if he took Alcindor with him. Big Lew was just too big. He scored at will over Hochstein because as tough as Keith was, he just didn't have the height to stop the Alcindor "Sky-hook" (precious few players did whether in college or the pros). If you recall the papers the next day, big Lew was quoted as really perplexed and disapponted by all the boos he got in his "hometown" game. Guess he wasn't smart enough to realize those boos were coming from hundreds of Crusader fans who made the trek from Worcester.
The bottom line to the game was that every time HC made the game close, the Bruins were able to get the ball into Alcindor who popped a short hook shot over Hochstein. Though I don't have the stats, I'm sure that if someone could find them, Alcindor scored more points than the winning differential. We lost by 23 but Alcindor had something in excess of 30 points and maybe closer to 35. I don't recall Keith scoring much at all. That's why, all the talk at the time was how angry we were that Ron T. didn't play and wasn't even on the team. No one thought he would have outplayed Lew but almost to a person, people who saw the game and knew Ron's potential felt he would have held Alcondor's scoring down and probably would have scored more than Keith.
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