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Date Posted: 08:46:09 07/21/04 Wed
Author: NTKHC64
Subject: Why Charde Floyd Isn't Going to Holy Cross
Ready to join Hounds
Assumption rebounds a major HC miss
By Jennifer Toland
TELEGRAM & GAZETTE STAFF
Assumption College women’s basketball coach Kerry Phayre sure got a nice surprise this summer when she landed former Worcester Academy standout Charde Floyd.
Phayre knew all about Floyd when the latter was starring for the Hilltoppers, “but the buzz was that she was going to Holy Cross,” Phayre said, “so we kind of backed off.”
When things didn’t work out at HC for Floyd, a 2003 Worcester Academy graduate who attended Quinsigamond Community College last year, Assumption seemed like a viable option. Now, both Floyd and the Greyhounds have something to look forward to this winter.
“We’re very excited,” Phayre said. “We feel she can help our program.”
Now, it’s true that Floyd had her heart set on going to Holy Cross and playing for coach Bill Gibbons. Floyd’s dad, Ernie, starred for the Crusaders in the early 1980s, and Charde practically grew up in the Hart Center, accompanying Ernie, who works as a color analyst for Charter Cable Channel 3, to games.
Charde attended Gibbons’ annual summer camp and stayed in close contact with him through the years. And as Charde made her way through Worcester Academy as a three-time New England Prep School Athletic Conference All-Star, Gibbons recruited her heavily.
“Holy Cross was where I wanted to go,” Charde said during an interview at Pride Productions Inc., where her dad is the director. “The coaching staff there I’ve always known and loved. I knew what Holy Cross was all about and their interest in me, and what they said to me was from the heart, and that’s why I wanted to go there.”
Charde applied and was denied admission to HC. Her grades, which had been good her freshman and sophomore years at Worcester Academy, dropped off her junior year as she went through a very trying time for the Floyds. Three members of their family died in a six-month span, and the trauma obviously affected Charde’s schoolwork.
She still had her sights set on HC. After graduating from WA last year, she planned to prep for a year at Suffield Academy, then reapply to Holy Cross. At the last minute, her financial aid package at Suffield fell through, however, and her options began to diminish as the new school year quickly approached.
“We wanted to get the education process going,” Ernie said.
Charde enrolled full-time at Quinsigamond, and HC’s admissions department advised her about what classes to take, she said. She knew it was up to her to follow through academically. There was no guarantee she’d get into Holy Cross the second time around. Charde and Ernie were both aware of that.
What the Floyds weren’t aware of, and weren’t made aware of, was the fact that Charde would have to attend Quinsigamond for two years and graduate from the school in order to transfer to, and play immediately at, Holy Cross or any other Division 1 college. She was also recruited by Siena and Monmouth, and was considering those schools in case things didn’t work out at HC.
According to the NCAA’s 2003-04 Transfer Guide, in order for a student-athlete to receive a scholarship, practice and compete at a Division 1 school immediately after transferring, he or she must meet four requirements before transferring from a two-year college — the first being graduation from the two-year college.
The rules are different for transferring to Division 2 schools. Charde and Ernie didn’t become aware of the Division 1 rule until Charde was midway through her second semester at Quinsig. She had planned to go to Quinsigamond for just one year.
“I think there was a process, and in that process there were steps and different phases,” Ernie said, “and in one of those steps or phases (the rule) wasn’t mentioned. A red flag wasn’t raised. I wasn’t aware of it. She wasn’t aware of it, of course. It just wasn’t discussed.
“It was unfortunate it took a semester and a half before it was brought to our attention. We assumed this is the process and this is what it involves and this is where we’re going, but I guess we didn’t read the fine print. It happened. The main thing is, she’s going to school and continuing the process. As the old adage goes, it must have happened for a reason.”
Charde was disappointed as well, but eager to move forward. “We went back to Holy Cross and they said my option was to go back to Quinsig for another year and then I’d be able to transfer,” she said. “But I didn’t want to do another year and wait. I wanted to get right into playing basketball, right into being on a team, right into the whole atmosphere again.”
Charde didn’t play basketball last year at Quinsigamond and didn’t want to go another full year without playing. Ernie said Charde was also given the option of reapplying to Holy Cross after the one year at Quinsigamond, but if she got in — and, again, there was no guarantee she would — she wouldn’t have been able to play basketball for the Crusaders this season.
“We really wanted to make it happen,” Gibbons said. “It just didn’t work out. I’m disappointed it didn’t work out. I’m satisfied we did everything from both ends to make it work. It just didn’t happen.
“It’s a terrific opportunity for her at Assumption. It’s a great fit, and I’m sure she will have a great career there and get a great education.”
Sherry Levin, another former HC star and Charde’s coach at Worcester Academy, talked to Phayre, and Charde and Ernie were very impressed during their visit to the Salisbury Street campus.
“The team was real welcoming and the coaches are great,” said Charde, who will be the first black scholarship player in the 31-year history of the AC women’s program.
The 5-foot-11 Floyd, Worcester Academy’s second-leading career scorer with 1,141 points, played center at WA, but expects to move to the No. 3 or 4 spot in college.
The Greyhounds, coming off a 21-9 season, graduated 5-foot-11 Katelyn Dwyer and 6-foot-1 Michelle Towne, the team’s two top scorers and rebounders, so Phayre is looking forward to Floyd’s inside presence.
“With her athleticism, talent, scoring, rebounding, she brings so much of what we need,” Phayre said.
Assumption’s other incoming recruits are 5-8 guard Brittany Bishop of Mendon, 6-1 forward Sara Czarnecki and 6-3 center Megan Urban.
At Assumption, Floyd will play in the ultra-competitive Northeast-10 Conference. The league produced six 20-win teams last year, including Merrimack, which advanced to the NCAA Final Four.
“I think she’ll do really well and I spoke with her about it,” Ernie said. “She’s getting a good opportunity academically and athletically. Division 1, 2, 3 — it doesn’t matter. Assumption is going to be a challenge. It comes down to the academics. I hope she will maximize the opportunity and I think she will.”
Floyd is interested in pursuing a career in criminal justice or physical therapy.
This summer, she is preparing for her first year at Assumption by taking classes, working in the Telegram & Gazette’s advertising department, working out, and playing in a hoops league in Springfield.
Ernie, a 1,000-point scorer at HC and the most accurate shooter in program history, did hope his daughter would follow in his footsteps at his alma mater. Ever the pragmatist, however, he has moved beyond that.
“Anything you propose or anything you shoot for you always has to have plan B, C or D,” Ernie said. “We tried plan A, but there was no guarantee. There was a process and in that process there had to come a point where we had to make a decision and it came down to her future. As a parent and an advocate for young people, you want to get them in the direction they need to go in. It’s been a long year waiting and seeing. When your future is on hold, you get anxious. You want to get going with your life.”
And that’s what Charde is doing.
“Not going to Holy Cross is an upset, but things happen,” she said. “I guess it just wasn’t meant to be.”
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The fall-off in grades concurrent with a family tragedy is much like the story of another current PL standout who wanted to go to HC but was denied admission. Of interest here is the report that Charde is the first black player in the history of the Assumption women's hoop program. Also noteworthy is the Floyds' lack of knowledge of the transfer rules. Who should've advised them?
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This is not racial. Like the article says... -- "it just wasn't meant to be.", 08:58:08 07/21/04 Wed
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Re: I didn't say it was, just posted the article. -- NTKHC64, 09:03:54 07/21/04 Wed
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Re: Admissions Stupidity & Callousness -- pitt65, 09:17:25 07/21/04 Wed
How dare this teenager allow her grades to slip merely because there were 3 deaths in her family in six months!!
What kind of automatons do we have in the admissions office these days? What does it profit a school if it maintains its USNews&World report ranking but loses its soul?
This is not the first such unfeeling admissions decision at the Cross in recent years.
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Re: Admissions Stupidity & Callousness -- Sadfan, 09:26:50 07/21/04 Wed
Locally, this lady is said to be a terrific ballplayer and good kid. Agree that admissions needs to consider the human side of an individual's life, when justified and warranted. This could have been a groundbreaking recruit and could have been a first step in furthering diversity on the women's hoop team. Although we have not heard the story from the Admissions point of view, either way it is unfortunate. Assumption ends up the winner in this case.
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Re: Why Charde Floyd Isn't Going to Holy Cross -- Rick, 10:07:13 07/21/04 Wed
1) I see no problem with HC on this one. The article doesn't indicate how far her Junior-Senior grades fell nor does it state how she performed on presumedly several tries on the SAT exams.
2) NCAA rules - As one who had student-athletes, I can easily see how that transfer rule could have been missed. Upon a 2nd reading, I trust most here will agree it's an easily misunderstood area of JC matriculation versus prep school matriculation vis a vis proceeding on to a Div.I program. The NCAA rules are NOT easy to grasp.
Could HC/Gibbons gone over this in more detail ? Maybe. However, the parent(s)/family ultimately are responsible for doing their homework on this. I did and if I wasn't sure of anything I either contacted the NCAA or the schools envolved for assistance/guidance.
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To Rick: Here we go again -- Sadfan, 10:42:40 07/21/04 Wed
The implication you set forth is that possibly and/or probably, that Assumption has not set suitable standards for its student-athletes and therefore will welcome a Holy Cross cast-off. Otherwise, her admission to HC would have been a no-brainer. I again reiterate that Assumption is the winner in this scenario. Why don't you just admit that HC could have been wrong again. Based on this article and the ECAC debacle, if find it difficult to give HC administration, the AD and Admissions, any benefit of any doubt.
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Re: To Rick: Here we go again -- BeatBC, 11:02:20 07/21/04 Wed
"Based on this article.." we learn that the issue of HC admitting her this year never arose because the D1 rules would not allow her to play right away....AND....that Assumption, as a D2 school, could allow her to play this year. I caught no implication nor made an inference of this being an example of Assumption settling for an HC castoff.. rather this is just Assumption being in a position to take advantage of a favorable difference between D1 & D2 rules......and no benefit of the doubt?? just what would you have had the AD do in this instance???
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Re: To Rick: Here we go again -- NTKHC64, 11:06:58 07/21/04 Wed
If HC Admissions were counseling her in her academic program, then one reasonable inference is that she did have a good chance to gain admission. If there were no chance I'd hope they would say so and not build expectations unnnecessarily. I agree that we don't know the situation with grades but as a legacy of a gifted athlete and a gifted athlete herself, offering her consideration befitting that status would not have been out of line. I agree that the parents have some responsibility to know the rules but duty is proportional to expertise and wouldn't those who wanted her to play at HC be held to a higher standard, to know the rules and advise her?
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To: Sadfan -- Rick, 11:19:25 07/21/04 Wed
I think you missed the thing about the NCAA rules on JC transfers to D-I versus D-II schools....
BeatBC explained it well.
Had the kid successfully graduated/completed the MANDATORY 2 YEARS at JC for admission to HC under NCAA rules, it sounds like HC was open to her acceptance. That seems like a fair proposal to me.
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Re: Why Charde Floyd Isn't Going to Holy Cross -- Breezy, 11:04:50 07/21/04 Wed
Some time ago, I had a conversation with Bill Gibbons about Charde Floyd. He was very interested in having her come to Holy Cross and was hoping she would gain admission. In that same conversation, we discussed the issue of diversity and he was very open to the concept. For those who have posted about the current lack of diversity, I accept Bill's word that he is sensitive to this issue and will continue to recruit on an open basis.
Based solely on the article, I have no real problem with Admissions on this one. (I am also aware of the other PL student-athlete, mentioned in NTK's post above, who wanted to go to HC but was not accepted by Admissions due to a grade slump that occurred during a time of family health problems; that athlete has been instrumental in leading that PL team to victory over HC.) The article relates that Admissions worked with Charde with respect to course selection that would enhance her ability to gain admission to HC. The decision seems to have been based on NCAA eligibility rules, which are beyond control. Charde has made her choice, and I wish her well.
To me, however, both Bill Gibbons and Admissions were properly open to having Charde come to HC, and "it just didn't work out."
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Re: Why Charde Floyd Isn't Going to Holy Cross -- NTKHC64, 11:23:04 07/21/04 Wed
Accepting the facts as related in the article,the key point seems to have been reached when the financial aid problem arose at Suffield. There was a decision to enroll at Quinsigamond. Thereafter it became known that two years would have to be spent at Q in order to be eligible to transfer to HC with no guaranty of admission. What isn't known is whether the knowledge of the graduation requirement would have altered the course. It seems that it would have, based upon the rejection of spending a second year at Q. Those advising her should've made her aware of the consequences of enrolling at Q, assuming of course that they had the opportunity to do so.
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Sadfan -- hc69, 11:28:38 07/21/04 Wed
Before we engage in any more administration-bashing, don't you think it would be useful to see what the NCAA transfer regulations really say? You can see them here (this is the transfer guide referred to in the article)
http://www.ncaa.org/library/general/transfer_guide/2003-04/2003-04_transfer_guide.pdf
but I'll happy to summarize. For a student who was a qualifier coming out of high school, the requirements to transfer from a two-year school and be immediately eligible are:
1. Be enrolled for one semester or quarter.
2. Complete 12 hours of transferable credit hours for each semester of quarter enrolled in two-year school.
3. Have a GPA of 2.0.
For a partial qualifier or non-qualifier:
1. Graduate from the two-year college.
2. Complete 48 hours of transferable credit hours.
3. Be enrolled in the two-year college for at least three semesters.
4. Have a GPA of 2.0.
The latter are the requirements cited in the article; apparently this young lady was a partial or non qualifier.
The Division I requirements to be a qualifier are based on a sliding scale of SAT and high school core course GPA, but they aren't difficult to meet, for example, a student with a SAT of 900 only needs a high school GPA of 2.30 in his or her core courses to be a qualifier, with a 1010 the student needs only a 2.0.
Division II makes no distinction between qualifiers, partial qualifiers, and non qualifiers when it comes to two-year college transfers:
1. Be enrolled for two semesters.
2. Complete an average of 12 hours of transferable credit hours per semester of enrollment.
3. Have a GPA of 2.0.
We don't know what this young lady's high school grades and SAT were, but assuming the article is correct, we do know that EITHER she didn't get an 900 on her SATs (and remember, you can take them multiple times and add the best individual verbal and math scores) OR she didn't have a 2.30 high school GPA in her core courses. Come on, that's a C+!
You're right, admitting a student with high school credentials like that would have been groundbreaking!
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Re: Sadfan -- Saderman, 13:17:10 07/21/04 Wed
The D-1 rules describe Charde's academic performance, i.e., non-qualifying. Let's move on!
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hc69: thx for clarification, my apologies to Rick -- Sadfan, 11:46:33 07/21/04 Wed
Regardless, as a loyal Worcesterite college sportsfan, I'm still suspect of the HC agenda with regards to athletics. Since Brooks, the school has not recovered from the catastrophic damage, nor does it seem to want to!
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