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Date Posted: 14:48:42 07/15/04 Thu
Author: purple1
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Re: HELLO FR. BROOKS
In reply to:
Nhteamer
's message, "HELLO FR. BROOKS" on 09:23:26 07/14/04 Wed
We need a strong leader at HC to stand up to the other presidents of the league and convince them. Where was our close (????) friend Colgate in all of this? They should have been at the front line. Alumni from the Ivy are shocked at the news of the past 2 days, which I come into contact with every day. All comments from the business alumni had been very positive toward joining the ECAC and taking in games with them. Why do you add another school which is 8 miles away from Yale and lose the central New England media population, which supports the Worc. IceCats? $80 million dollar endowment can put more $$$ in a program vs. a half-billion endowment? Maybe Q. is going to close their law school or just admit full pay students with all aid going to athletes. Where is our board of trustees on this matter? I am in a state of disbelief.
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hey there, don't blame us -- colgate13, 15:22:27 07/15/04 Thu
Where was Colgate? I'm pretty sure we were one of your big supporters. You've had nothing but support and good words from Colgate fans here. I imagine the decision makers from Colgate were pulling for you as well.
It sounds like in the end your institution was not willing to upgrade their women's program to the D-I level the ECAC wanted. Your men's program sounds like it was a no brainer, but apparently your (lack of a) women's program brought you down. Pointing figures at Colgate, or any Ivy for that matter, is misdirected anger at best.
Face it, the deal was for both men and women. You only wanted to pony up for the men. The ECAC had an athletically competitive school willing to pony up for both. Obviously academics are a secondary concern for an athletic league. What decision would you have made in a reversed situation?
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Re: hey there, don't blame us -- purple passion peter, 14:55:28 07/18/04 Sun
Brooks is to H.C.Athletics what Marvin Miller is to Major League Baseball,namely a Pariah who caused irreperable damage.His legacy should read as such and he should be ostracized forever.His "haughtiness"should be made to realize the gavity of his tyrannical decisions,and how many people were impacted in a negative fashion.
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Re: HELLO FR. BROOKS -- purple1, 15:47:04 07/15/04 Thu
We are both in the Patriot League, which prides itself on student-athletes. That premise should help in applying to the ECAC, which has 7 schools in the top 50 schools in the country and could have been 8. Tradition, respect for one another, geographical location, and closeness between rival alumni should have outweighed the new women's hockey program at HC. Given 3-5 years, a competitive team would have resulted. Not to mention endowments and national recognition of the schools in question. I would have chosen Colgate over Quinnipiac in a heart beat if reversed.
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but what if -- colgate13, 16:00:54 07/15/04 Thu
(and I'm playing devil's advocate here since I wanted HC in)
Colgate was for some reason not in the PL and there was a chance to get in as a basketball member. Would you want us if we said we only were going to support the men's team? Would you want us if, SUNY Albany, for example had said they'd support both? It's easy to say the you'd go for Colgate, but would that be in the best interest of the league? I don't know the "right" answer, but it's an analogy.
I'm completely guessing here, but I bet the recent actions of Union didn't help your cause. The last thing that ECAC members want is another Union in the league. Maybe the "half committment" scared schools off?
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Re: but what if -- purple1, 18:50:19 07/15/04 Thu
I do not believe a half committment was given. A time frame of 3-5 years was given by a school located in a good area to recruit female hockey players from.
I would still have picked Colgate for basketball if we played in all other sports because of traditional rivalries over the decades. Colgate female basketball would be able to recruit a higher caliber athlete by being the new league. Kudos!
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Commitments -- sader1970, 16:57:11 07/15/04 Thu
Let's stop blaming the Ivies or Colgate. Especially not Colgate whose alums have supported our ECAC bid from the beginning. If the rules of engagement was both the men's and women's (and I'm sure we knew that up front) and we weren't willing to do that, then why the heck should the ECAC have taken us?
I can't fathom that we would not commit to upgrading the ladies to D1 and do it quickly. To me, that's a fairness issue as about half of the HC student body is female. This is a no-brainer.
But I don't buy into the facility size piece of the argument. And I certainly don't buy into the QU promises to build an arena. Our current arena, though small, is bigger than theirs RIGHT NOW and we did have the Centrum for the expected crush of fans we'd get from surrounding Worcester. Those are physical facts not promises. And, guess what? IMHO, if HC was consistently getting ECAC crowds of 3,000 or 4,000 that caused us to go to the Centrum, don't you think that HC would find it financially expedient to expand Hart at that point?
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Re: Colgate certainly can't be happy with this. -- Go...'gate, 17:24:20 07/15/04 Thu
Notwithstanding some of the arguments on this board, we have a long relationship with HC and a lot in common with them from an institutional standpoint. What happend to HC was wrong. Going a step further, it seems clear that HC's administration did not give HC a fair chance to be admitted. I hope your alumni bring this to the attention of the College's Trustees and any other organization that coulad make a difference. In addition, HC needs a sports booster club! Screw the "Lift High the Cross" exclusivity. Having loyal alumni who support athletics with $$$ has never hurt any other team in the PL or Ivy from a financial standpoint.
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