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Date Posted: 09:51:55 07/23/04 Fri
Author: if you're a real friend, they prefer "Rensselaer"
Subject: Re: The Red Traitors
In reply to: thx RPI -- you're one class act 's message, "The Red Traitors" on 09:37:24 07/23/04 Fri

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[> [> [> Oh, whoa is Holy Cross, big bad Colgate did you in -- colgate13, 09:55:28 07/23/04 Fri

Get a grip. If you were worthy of an invite you would have got it.

Blame yourself.

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[> [> [> [> whoa is Holy Cross, big bad Colgate did you in -- thx, RPI, Harvard, Dartmouth & Princeton, 11:06:58 07/23/04 Fri

it's pretty simple -- you had 5 schools in the mix -- that group was reduced to two finalists -- one of those schools, HC, happens to be in the same athletic conference that was founded by that school and Colgate -- aside from hockey and golf, both schools now have close-knit athletic bonds and are excellent liberal arts institutions -- the final vote is underway and Harvard, Dartmouth, Princeton and RPI believe that HC is a good fit for the ECAC, warts and all -- yes, at this juncture Colgate, given its ties to HC in virtually all other sports, should have done the honorable thing and supported the Cross -- they didn't and yes it's disloyal -- you may not think so but others at Colgate do -- Colgate's a great school but their recent actions are pretty low in my esitmation

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[> [> [> [> [> Yes, it is simple -- colgate13, 11:15:25 07/23/04 Fri

Harvard, Dartmouth, Princeton and RPI must not care about their athletic programs as much as Colgate or Brown.

Again, loyalty? How loyal has HC's committment to the PL been? Half ass in everything but basketball. You cry that the competition in the PL is not good enough, yet ask us to water the competition down in the ECAC?

Get your athletic priorities straight and apply to the ECAC again when you're serious.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> colgate > princeton... no sir -- dadominate, 12:56:08 07/23/04 Fri

you're telling me princeton doesn't care about it's athletics (because they voted for us - interesting logic by the way) but colgate does?!?

how many NCAA basketball tournaments has colgate been to? how many lacrosse final 4's? princeton has a much more prestigious athletic program than colgate. they were ranked in the top 10 in men's basketball in the late 90's and are a lacrosse institution.

only an absolute imbecile would argue that colgate has a better, more respected nationwide athletic program than princeton. please, i know it wasn't the colgate that left us hanging and obviously don't blame you, but your logic here about princeton not caring about athletics is faulty at best.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> He said no such thing. Are you Sean Hannity? -- 'gate88, 15:01:24 07/23/04 Fri

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: He said no such thing. Are you Sean Hannity? -- dadominate, 17:35:34 07/23/04 Fri

"Harvard, Dartmouth, Princeton and RPI must not care about their athletic programs as much as Colgate or Brown"

said no such thing? that's a direct quote there genius. there's no two ways about it, to claim that colgate cares more about their athletic program as a whole than princeton is simply misguided. to defend that remark is straight up idiotic.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> My inference was... -- colgate13, 14:07:39 07/23/04 Fri

First off, my response was very tounge in cheek. My tone was missed, I apologize. The Ivy's all have great athletic programs.

That said, Princeton hockey has not been a great program as of late. Basketball is much more of a priority. I don't think they put as much of an athletic priority on their hockey as they do their basketball, lacrosse or football.

Therein lies my logic - they voted for you for the ECAC because they care more about the academic profile of the ECAC than the athletic competitiveness. Just my tainted opinion formed from these unwarranted HC backlashings.

As for the other "yes" votes, Harvard seems obvious as the in state rival (Yale did the same in voting for Q), Dartmouth... who knows? I wasn't there. RPI? Maybe they would prefer a nonscholarship school in the ECAC and Q is more of a threat to them? Speculation all indeed.

But again, the point I'm making is don't fault Colgate for trying to maintain or increase the athletic competitiveness of the ECAC when that's all HC would do if the shoe was on the other foot for basketball. If HC chose to be competitive, I have no doubt they'd be in the ECAC.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Oh, whoa is Holy Cross, big bad Colgate -- purple1, 12:00:04 07/23/04 Fri

Please get your priority right. Academic/athletic mix is in order for here. We have student athletes at HC, who are willing to compete in the ECAC with similar minded schools.

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[> [> [> [> [> Great! -- colgate13, 14:12:55 07/23/04 Fri

We have student athletes here at Colgate too! In fact, you could argue we have "smarter" student athletes here and we have a higher AI too! I normally don't get into the "my school is better than your school" fight, but whether it is intended or not your inference is that Colgate somehow has it's academic priorities out of whack. Right...

Now, on your other point, that's where you're missing it. You are not of a similiar mind of other ECAC schools if you want to support women's ice hockey at the D-III level. You may be of similiar academic mind, but the mix that you speak of is off!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Great! -- purple1, 18:47:02 07/23/04 Fri

colgate 13 YOUR priority is in need of an explanation, not Colgate U.
No one said D-III women's hockey, but 3-5 years to build into D-I program.
HC arranged to play some games at the Centrum, 2 miles away from campus, where Icecats play before 6-8000 hockey fans. NCAA hockey regionals have played there 2-3 times with 13000 fans in attendance. Quality facility for hockey fans in central New England, more exposure for all ECAC teams.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Great! -- purple1, 18:47:38 07/23/04 Fri

colgate 13 YOUR priority is in need of an explanation, not Colgate U.
No one said D-III women's hockey, but 3-5 years to build into D-I program.
HC arranged to play some games at the Centrum, 2 miles away from campus, where Icecats play before 6-8000 hockey fans. NCAA hockey regionals have played there 2-3 times with 13000 fans in attendance. Quality facility for hockey fans in central New England, more exposure for all ECAC teams.

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