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Date Posted: 13:38:56 06/22/04 Tue
Author: kesiwick
Subject: Re: 2004-2005 hockey Schedule
In reply to: sader1970 's message, "Re: 2004-2005 hockey Schedule" on 11:55:42 06/22/04 Tue

hope you're right -- I still believe we're in -- to lose out to those other schools would really be pathetic if you ask me

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[> [> [> ECAC a Non-scholarship League?? -- Zipp, 13:50:50 06/22/04 Tue

To save myself some typing, I'm going to just re-post an old comment I made a couple of weeks ago:

I'll take a shot at trying to explain that. First, there's one school of thought amongst hockey people that the main goal of the ECAC (new commissioner and all) in adding a school is to improve their overall league strength and thus strength of schedule. Obviously, adding a non-scholarship school is less likely to achieve this goal than schorarship program. Argue this point if you want but IMO few would debate that we've had unusual success with out scholarships and that it's clearly easier to be successful with scholarships than with out.

We can argue if this is the ECAC's primary goal (certainly HC seems to hope that academic fit is their primary criteria), but the ECAC really IS a scholarship league. Colgate now gives scholarships which makes all the non-Ivy schools scholarship except Union and Union is clearly the blacksheep program of the league. In fact, there was a fair amount of speculation that the league might attempt to give the boot to Union and then add an even number of teams (particularly after the Union President angered the other schools by voting against the D-III scholarship exemption at the NCAA vote this spring, but that's another issue).

Now I know what you're going to say, "but the Ivy's don't give scholarships." LOL. First, they're the Ivy's, period, nuff said. And we've seen the results of the "let's compete against the Ivy's with out scholarships" experiment. Secondly, as Paul Pearl once said, "What is a scholarship?" (or something to that effect). Ask around and you'll find plenty of people (and its been debated here) that will tell you that the Ivy's can be interestingly creative with financial aid; particularly with hockey players.

So, I've gone on a while but the point is this league arguably is a scholarship league (Ivy + Scholarship). A school of thought says that the primary goal for ECAC inclusion is a school that maximizes (now or eventually) in-conference SOS. And the theory goes, a scholarship school(s) is most likely to achieve this goal.

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