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Date Posted: 07:54:10 07/19/04 Mon
Author: nomar schmomar
Subject: Re: Women's Verbal
In reply to: Purpandwhite 's message, "Women's Verbal" on 23:32:38 07/15/04 Thu

HC04,the idea is to have a winning program regardless of the so called diversity that you seem to feel is needed. If HC had a program with all diversified students and were winning that would be great,a program with all non-diversified players that is winning would be great also.A program of mixed students that is winning would be great.Notice the word WINNING in all the above statements,regardless of the makeup winning and having a team that enjoys playing with each other and making each other better is the ideal to strive for,not diversity for diversity sake alone.

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[> [> Re: Women's Verbal -- MHMD, 10:19:14 07/19/04 Mon

Interesting fodder but Id be careful '04- I've addressed concerns with this matter and became the anti-HC right away.. I am not an alum so maybe you'll be given more rope. Nomar, I do believe the essence of the college experience is what happens in the classroom and off the court. Athletics, while I believe an important ingredient lending to the experience, is often viewed as a snapshot of the student body.. Many posters have chastized other schools (all together now.. BOSTON COLLEGE)for the personell they put forth on their teams and generalize about the rest of the institution following those ways. I am not a fan of women's basketball in general however did attend a few games last year.. It is rather blatent that there is no representation of ANY diversity in the program.. nor does there seem to be any urgency to have some. I personally find Gibbons' theatrics on the sideline embarrassing (at one point needing to be held back from going after an opposing player)and frankly he overcoaches (changing defenses to the point his team had NO idea what they were supposed to be doing. Does this have anything to do with the above topic.. no... do I feel having black players on the team is important in the scope of winning.. not necessarily... but would it add to the college experience??? certainly.. and that is far more important.

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[> [> [> Re: Women's Verbal -- joe98, 11:09:32 07/19/04 Mon

I agree with your analysis of Gibbon's behavior, a disgrace to the HC community! Also, finally someone who also agrees with my own view of his coaching! He lacks the vision of what talent he has on his bench and fails to use it! He also has his playing 5 totally confused on many occasions (I saw a few games when he calls a guard over, who is also dribbling the ball, to converse with her about a play, and when the play is turned over he's screaming like a maniac!) I don't see how diversity will help in these situations! I believe Gibbon's is in for a rude awakening this fall with many schools now able to offer their own scholarships.

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[> [> Re: MHMD As Coach -- HCFan, 11:33:50 07/19/04 Mon

Thanks for the evaluation of Gibbon's defensive strategy. To paraphrase Jimy Williams: What CYO team do you coach?

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[> [> [> Re: MHMD As Coach -- MHMD, 11:53:28 07/19/04 Mon

You have to have strategy to evaluate before you can do so. When you have 2 players playing M to M and 3 in a zone OUT OF A TIME OUT as the coach screams from the sideline to "find someone" .. I think there are issues..

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[> [> [> Re: MHMD As Coach -- joe98, 12:09:16 07/19/04 Mon

Guess that's why Gibbon's had such a great season MHMD! How much do you know about the game???

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[> [> [> [> Re: MHMD As Coach -- MHMD, 15:00:50 07/19/04 Mon

Yeah, Joe, they had a "great" season... Tell me, how do you define great.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: MHMD As Coach -- joe98, 15:44:54 07/19/04 Mon

Do you understand the meaning of sarcasm?

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[> [> [> Re: MHMD As Coach -- Hart regular, 23:19:12 07/20/04 Tue

HCfan - How many of the womens games did you see last year?

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[> [> [> [> Re: MHMD As Coach -- MHMD, 23:39:36 07/20/04 Tue

Enough to know the following.. twice to be exact..
1. his team looked confused out of at least 3 time outs- not knowing what defense they should play..
2. On one occassion they held an opponent scoreless from the field playing zone for 4 minutes.. he goes M to M and the other team (league champs) scores 3 straight times to put the game out of reach..
3. this may be unfair as I did not see games consistently, but he seemed to pull players and take confidence away... a senior guard (who people in the stands said was a key figure on last years team)seemed to be playing great but was yanked.. again, this may be unfair as I dont know the history behind it but it was strange.
4. Sideline theatrics... this is pathetic... it really is... when a male coach has to be restrained from going after a female player...I find it absurd..
5. '04 has a valid point... why isn't there diversity in the program??? is it a conscious effort??? I just find it strange..
My question to you, Hart regular, who are you sitting with?? because many of the Hart regulars I sat with were voicing similar concerns as Ive put forth.. I give Coach Gibbons credit for scheduling good teams and obviously he's created quite a tradition at the school. I said in a post how impressed I was with how he stopped a press interview to kiss his son goodnight after a tough loss- obviously he's a family man and of high morals. If this is the level the program is striving to be at then he's a good fit.. to go to the next level doesn't seem like that much of a stretch .... except with the current coaching staff..

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[> [> [> [> [> re: MHMD - HCFan, not you -- Hart regular, 00:05:08 07/21/04 Wed

Hey MHMD.... I'm with you on these comments. Your critiques were right on. I was questioning HCFan as he seemed to be challenging your worthy comments.

How many women's games did HCFan really see is a good question.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: re: MHMD - HCFan, not you -- MHMD, 20:42:22 07/26/04 Mon

what is the women's program record in the NCAA tournament over the last 5 years??

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[> [> [> [> Re: MHMD As Coach -- HCFan, 20:55:10 07/26/04 Mon

Saw about 6/7 last year. Agree not a great team, but did he win 70% of his games over the first 19 years and then forget how to coach?

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