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Date Posted: 20:53:07 06/29/04 Tue
Author: JRGNYR
Subject: July 1st
The supposed deadline for the ECAC to announce its expansion plans is rapidly approaching within 36 hours. I haven't heard much scuttlebutt in the last 10 days or so. Here's hoping HC has done all it can to express an interest in moving the hockey program(s) up. If the College did all it could do and was passed up, there isn't a whole lot to complain about. But since not all the facts are openly known, I guess it would all be speculation anyway.
And so this hockey fan waits with bated breath.
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Re: July 1st -- kesiwick, 21:12:41 06/29/04 Tue
if the Cross gets ditched for one of those other schools it is a sad commentary on the state of our athletics --
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Re: July 1st -- SaderFan, 13:30:33 07/01/04 Thu
In response to Zipp. I think you are wrong about the scholarships that HC has deinatively said know. I have an inside source at Harvard who has confirmed that Dick Regan has made refrences to HC giving scholarships in hockey. He believes that this may seal the deal in terms of getting accepted.
In regard to the rink, the Hart center is more than adequate to host ECAC games. Until fans have to be turned away at the gate, the rink is okay. In 1999, there were 1,600 fans for the MAAC championship. This was one of the most exciting sports events at HC in recent memory. This 1,600 mark is greater than a lot of teams get at their games. Remember just because 2,000 people reportedly attended the game doesn't mean that is actually the case.
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Hardly Doing All We Can! -- Zipp, 07:25:16 06/30/04 Wed
We may or may not get into the ECAC (let's hope we do), but either way it will be EXTREMELY difficult to argue that "we did all we could". True, all the facts are not known, but we do know that HC has said it will not give scholarships and is unlikely to significantly upgrade the Hart Center rink. These two facts alone show that the administration was hardly "going all out" to gain admittance to the ECAC. Oh well, I guess we've become accustomed to losing out on these sort of things.
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Re: July 1st -- Class of '83, 09:48:45 06/30/04 Wed
Here is the latest scoop I have heard. The decision will not be made until July 15. The decision now looks to be between HC and Quinnapiac. Apparently none of the ECAC AD's want to travel to Merceryhurst - it is too far. Under closer analysis the academic profile of Niagra is weak and that seems to be a concern of the committee. And Sacred Heart just does not have enough to offer. As expected Harvard, Dartmouth, Princeton and RPI are in favor of HC. The Union AD wants to add a team which offers scholarships which HC will not do. This is what Quinnapiac has to offer. It is unsure what Colgate and Brown want since the AD situation at these two schools in is in a state of flux - (Colgate hiring the former Brown AD and consequently Brown in the process of finding a new AD). It is also unsure what Yale, St. Lawrence and Clarkson prefer.
The other interesting bit of information I have heard relates to where HC will play it's home games. As has been discussed, Quinnapiac has expressed their intentions to build a new hockey arena. (although from what I understand they have raised little or no money to do so). To offset this, HC has negotiated or is negotiating to play all it's home games at the Centrum in Worcester. I am unsure whther this actually means all home games or just ECAC home games.
I would, for one, as a local Worcester alum be willing to purchase season tickets if the games are at the Centrum to show my support for the school's commitment to upgrade the program.
In any event it looks as if only one school will be invited. I know there has been discussion of the committee inviting more than one team but it does not look like that will happen.
Good luck and I hope it works out for our hockey program.
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Re: July 1st -- HC1843, 09:59:24 06/30/04 Wed
If Quinnipiac wins this pageant it speaks poorly for the ECAC selection committee. Quinnipiac does not have the academics nor is Hamden a hockey hotbed population-wise...they will struggle to fill a new, bigger stadium. Even IF they build it, not many will come. Furthermore, if HC has, or soon will have, a contract for the Centrum, then it would seem inconceivable to me to take QU.
I am also shocked by the Union AD's stance...my guess is that he does not want another non-schollie school in the ECAC competing against his coach for similar players. Then again, why he would want to be manhandled by a loaded scholarship Quinnipiac is beyond me. These Union guys seem dumber than a sack of bricks.
If something is going to be our downfall here it looks to be the scholarship issue again. Nothing like the stench of hubris.
Cheers.
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Re: July 1st -- kesiwick, 10:21:33 06/30/04 Wed
one process question -- is the final decision made by majority vote, 3/4, etc??? -- also heard that Harvard has been very vocal in favor of HC -- we will see
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Re: July 1st -- HChockeyalum, 10:48:25 06/30/04 Wed
I couldn't agree more with all of your sentiments. It is a sad commentary that HC will not make every effort to upgrade an athletic program when doing so means association with such preeminent academic institutions. If this does not come to pass, I will be livid and will make my opinion known to McFarland in more ways than one. Their public relations message on this issue has been horrible because it has been nonexistent. Losing out to the likes of Quinnipiac, Niagara, Mercyhurst or Sacred Heart would arguably be the greatest disgrace in HC's athletic history. But let's be positive!
My sources tell me things similar to the info coming from Class of '83. Until last week, the odds were heavily against HC admission, but that HC modified its proposal, which pleased the ECAC, and now we stand 60-40 in favor with our competition coming from Quinnipiac. I didn't get any particular details as to how or why, but the worry is over the scholarship issue. I wonder what HC changed to dramatically shift the ECAC thinking? Does anyone have any ideas?
Let's say a prayer.
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Re: Centrum 'home' questions -- Rick, 10:52:37 06/30/04 Wed
Would it be a good idea to have crowds of 1300, 1600, 2000 or possibly 2300 in a gym with nearly 13,000 seats for ice hockey ? Will huge curtains be used to hide the many empty sections ?
Won't there be major echo effects ?
How much is the rental of the Centrum either per game or via a package rate for x amount of ECAC games ?
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Can Someone please explain... -- HC1843, 11:16:29 06/30/04 Wed
what leg Quinnipiac stands on, other than scholarships!?
Their rink has been "in the works" for yearS now. How can the ECAC bank on that unless Quinnipiac is taking out bonds to finance it at some point. If no one has given money toward its being built, what type of message should that send to the ECAC?
Also, what the eff does HC care about schollies in a non-patriot league sport. It is time to get off our damn high horse and start giving hockey scholarships!!! Is HC's reluctance a Title IX issue? We give freaking scholarships now in all but name to these kids. Let's stop acting like hypocrites and make this happen. 60-40 is just too damn close when we are competing against Quinnipiac for admission. We should be a lock and the fact that we are not is disgraceful.
Throw in the kitchen sink gentlemen and your first born!
Cheers.
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How many does the Hart Center Hovkey Arena seat? -- RF, 11:27:22 06/30/04 Wed
What is the capacity of the Hart Center for hockey? I ask as URI supposedly has plans to upgrade its hockey program from club to Division 1 in the coming years and was wondering what is needed. URI opened a rink (Boss Arena) on campus two years ago. It was built at the same time the separate basketball arena was constructed. The Boss Arena currently seats 2,500 with seating on three sides of the rink (one sideline and behind both nets). The hockey arena was supposedly built so that seating could be increased if URI were to upgrade its program.
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Re: July 1st -- Class of '83, 11:32:35 06/30/04 Wed
From what I understand, it would not be that expensive for HC to contract for the Centrum. Keep in mind that the Icecats (AHL team) are already playing there, so this enables the Centrum to schedule the arena to maximize the use of the ice.
Furhermore, even though the Centrum is one of the most successful arenas for its size in the country - it has been hurt in the last few years by the construction of the Fleet Center - they don't seem to get the big name concerts anymore. HC hockey will enable them to maximize the Centrum's use.
For this to work, however, HC needs to make a concerted marketing effort to draw the local Worcester population.(we all know how good HC is at marketing). The Icecats playing at the Centrum is a positive and a negative. It helps in finding a place to play. The problem, I believe, is that HC will be competing for the attention(and dollars) of the Worcester hockey fan against the Icecats.
Youth hockey is huge in the Worcester area and the Icecats have been successful in creating a family friendly atmosphere at their games. HC will have to create marketing and game promotions to draw these fans or else HC hockey won't draw flys to the Centrum.
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Re: July 1st -- kesiwick, 11:39:31 06/30/04 Wed
I do believe we're in. I just can't see Harvard getting rolled on this in favor of QU. Sader1970 has it about right.
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Re: July 1st -- sader1970, 11:32:45 06/30/04 Wed
Sounds like a lot of folks are upset with even the possibility that HC won't be selected by the ECAC.
It all sounds pretty positive to me, not negative.
As for the Centrum, perhaps something has happened since my brief discussions with those in the know and that was the Centrum would be available for any game that there was a need for all those extra seats. The feeling was that most games, even most ECAC games, would be adequately served by the Hart seating capacity. I don't know this one way or the other but as I understood it, precious few ECAC games have 5,000 or 10,000 fans and that most have 1,000 - 1,500 fans. The Hart could handle that lower number.
But, let's give our AD some credit and our hockey-loving president that they'll do what they need to do to get this bid, within reason. And for what it's worth, I gather that there are some ways that we effectively give scholarships to hockey players from Canada that serve the same purpose but are not called "athletic" scholarships.
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on campus -- browser, 12:21:12 06/30/04 Wed
when my daughter attended hc, she really enjoyed the hockey games on campus, and said there was great spirit at these games. But I suppose this doesn't enter into the equation??
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To: '83 & 1970 -- Rick, 12:23:44 06/30/04 Wed
Just looked at last year's Ice Cats home schedule at the Centrum.
Looks like their Friday/Saturday games start @ 7:05 p.m. and most Sunday games @ 4:05 p.m. ( couple @ 8:05 p.m. ).
Also revisited HC's Friday/Saturday home games at the Hart last season and noted most started @ 7:00 p.m. as well.
Thus would assume ANY scheduled Friday nite home games would have to be @ Hart but Saturday games could be played at the Centrum @ say 1:30 p.m. ONLY....subject to when Ice Cat practices/light game-day skate arounds are held.
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I wonder if.... -- Rick, 15:15:28 06/30/04 Wed
....part of the attraction of HC in this mix is using/the availability of the Centrum as a venue for the ECAC Championships.
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Re: July 1st -- SaderFan, 16:27:19 07/01/04 Thu
In response to Zipp. I think you are wrong about the scholarships that HC has deinatively said know. I have an inside source at Harvard who has confirmed that Dick Regan has made refrences to HC giving scholarships in hockey. He believes that this may seal the deal in terms of getting accepted.
In regard to the rink, the Hart center is more than adequate to host ECAC games. Until fans have to be turned away at the gate, the rink is okay. In 1999, there were 1,600 fans for the MAAC championship. This was one of the most exciting sports events at HC in recent memory. This 1,600 mark is greater than a lot of teams get at their games. Remember just because 2,000 people reportedly attended the game doesn't mean that is actually the case.
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Re: July 1st -- zipp, 17:48:47 07/01/04 Thu
Well I hope I'm wrong because I agree that if HC offered to give Hockey scholarships then the ECAC would be a done deal. However, it was reported here that Regan said we would not be giving them (at the RI or NJ reception I forget which) and Paul Pearl has indicated in interviews that their unlikely. Hope I'm wrong.
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