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Date Posted: 18:30:23 05/15/04 Sat
Author: Rick
Subject: To: 85
In reply to: HC '85 's message, "Re: HC's on Internet - NOT....pitt65" on 17:52:37 05/15/04 Sat

Sorry....1843 and I just indulging in a bit of sarcasm on the general subject of priorities and prudent allocation of financial resources over the years at alma mater....

Um BTW, the organ was purchased ( AIR it was QUITE an expensive item at the time ) with a healthy chunk of football regional t.v. money HC got from ABC. And don't let anyone fib or try to tell you anything different on that !

And also BTW....one of my fondest memories as an undergrad was the then annual Christmas banquet in Kimball when we students got a welcome break from 'Mystery Meat' and dined on roast turkey with all the fixins....while being entertained and joining the college choir in singing traditional carols and holiday songs.

I'm all for campus beauty and upkeep and a longtime proponent of music and voices raised in song. I just think the organ was more than a tad extravagant and how it was financed a bit questionable.

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[> [> [> [> [> To;Rick -- HC '85, 21:26:28 05/15/04 Sat

Rick,

Good discussion!

I stand corrected on the financing of the organ. However ...

Doesn't the organ then become a prima facia example of how an athletic program can help sustain and develop the life of the college and make the arguement that improving and building a first rate athletics program is a very viable option to help meet the financial needs of the college?

I infer from your message that you think that the money from that game against Colgate(?) in 1982 should have stayed with the football team or at least the athletic department. Many point to making athletic departments independent profit centers of universities in the early 1970's as the root of many of the problems experienced in college athletics today.

Don't think that's the way to go.

Is the HC athletic department operating at deficit? Sure, but aren't the Chemistry, Classics, and Philosophy departments? Hell, I would guess Development, Admissions and the catering business at the Hogan Center are the only departments running in the black based on revenues they generate vs. costs!

As a whole however, the College is not running a deficit (or at least most years is not!) Money earned by any department - not thru grants for specific purposes - goes to the school's general funds, which the school can then spend as it sees fit - even if it's on an extravagant organ for the Chapel!

Can and should the college do more to promote and genrate more revenue thru it's athletic department? Yup. Thru a lot of fairly simple methods including a booster club or clubs. Just don't ask the team members to hold a bake sale outside Fitton some Saturday afternoon!

On that I think we agree.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> To: follow-up 85 -- Rick, 22:17:33 05/15/04 Sat

" Doesn't the organ then become a prima facia example of how an athletic program can help sustain and develop the life of the college and make the arguement that improving and building a first rate athletics program is a very viable option to help meet the financial needs of the college? "

I'll buy into that premise.

" I infer from your message that you think that the money from that game against Colgate(?) in 1982 should have stayed with the football team or at least the athletic department. Many point to making athletic departments independent profit centers of universities in the early 1970's as the root of many of the problems experienced in college athletics today.

Don't think that's the way to go. "

Yes on the first point, no on the second.

HC, as a I-AA school, is in no danger whatsoever - and was not pre-Patriot - of having it's athletic program get out of hand. There is certainly not today nor has there been since 1980 ( the advent of I-AA and long before then as well ) any relevance to what goes on at Arkansas, Georgia, Texas A&M, Colorado, Ohio State, Auburn or Alabama to Holy Cross. That's what irks me about McFarland's speech in the other thread....and the identical irrelevant tripe that Brooks's pandered back in the mid-1980's as a smokescreen to Derek Bok's ultimatum.

" Is the HC athletic department operating at deficit? Sure, but aren't the Chemistry, Classics, and Philosophy departments? Hell, I would guess Development, Admissions and the catering business at the Hogan Center are the only departments running in the black based on revenues they generate vs. costs! "

Well, I'd guess the enormous red ink is what caused BU to drop football and reallocate resources into ice hockey and basketball. Some have speculated here that the Gilmore regime may be the last stand for HC football.

" Can and should the college do more to promote and genrate more revenue thru it's athletic department? Yup. Thru a lot of fairly simple methods including a booster club or clubs. Just don't ask the team members to hold a bake sale outside Fitton some Saturday afternoon! "

That's a question/subject that McFarland and Regan have blatantly dodged and/or addressed with evasively worded gobblygook verbage in print a couple times within the past year....most recently when Allen was 'reassigned' and Gilmore hired.

" On that I think we agree. "

Yea, but we left out the chili fests !

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