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Date Posted: 11:10:51 06/07/04 Mon
Author: hchoops
Subject: bucknell's hoops sched
congrats to flannery--away-duke tourney-play richmond in game 1(mike k must respect them)
pitt,penn,st.joe's(a 2 for 1)-wish hc had gotten that-,iowa st tourney
home-niagara
pat f must think he'll be strong--they and lehigh will probably be pre-season 1-2
this will help league rpi
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Re: bucknell's hoops sched -- Rick, 11:20:36 06/07/04 Mon
link to schedules ?
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click on bucknell page at top -- hchoops, 11:22:52 06/07/04 Mon
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Re: bucknell's hoops sched link -- Rick, 11:59:35 06/07/04 Mon
http://bucknellbison.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/buck-m-baskbl-body.html
Above only has last year's skid/results....nothing under 'news' ( ???? )
Could copy & paste the page link to here ?
thanks.
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Re: bucknell's hoops sched link -- KenZ, 14:09:14 06/07/04 Mon
Rick,
No official release yet. hchoops was steering you to the Voy message page where we discussed:
http://www.voy.com/83419/
I am also providing links to Daily Item articles which discuss the schedule, although doesn't mention all the games Bucky reports on the board,
http://www.dailyitem.com/archive/2004/0531/sports/stories/03sports.htm
and an article on this years recruits and their potential roles with next year's team,
http://www.dailyitem.com/archive/2004/0531/sports/stories/04sports.htm
There you go, more than you ever wanted to know about Bucknell hoops.
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Re: bucknell's hoops sched -- Rick, 15:07:25 06/07/04 Mon
Thanks Ken ( hoops - sorry for confusion )....
Knew Niagara owed you a home visit....getting that Joe's series is excellent - wonder where HC was on that front ??
Richmond @ Cameron, @ Pitt....that's 4 pretty tuff clubs !
Kudos for the aggressive schedule effort !
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Re: bucknell's hoops sched -- What's the spread on HC @ Bucknell 1/8/04?, 15:50:42 06/07/04 Mon
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Re: bucknell's hoops sched -- Make that 1/8/05 - Bucknell by 18, 15:51:46 06/07/04 Mon
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Re: bucknell's hoops sched -- Make that 1/8/05 - Bucknell by 18, 15:52:27 06/07/04 Mon
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Re: bucknell's hoops sched -- HC93, 20:18:20 06/07/04 Mon
too busy creating a game plan for Williams I guess
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Re: bucknell's hoops sched -- BBFAN, 05:56:13 06/08/04 Tue
Good OOC schedule by Bucknell, all we will hear about our OOC schedule is this is the best we could do, that nobody wants to play us. Maybe we could have Bucknell do our OOC schedule.
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To what degree does Coach Willard's.... -- HC1843, 08:57:29 06/08/04 Tue
philosophy on not agreeing to certain series when it is not a 1-for-1 set-up impact us when scheduling. Isn't this one aspect of why we lost PC?
Let's also remember that Bucknell's schedule will only help their recruiting. I think we need to start swallowing some of our pride and travel wherever necessary (and reasonable given the school's academic classtime focus).
Cheers.
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Re: Exam Effect on Scheduling -- NTKHC64, 10:14:41 06/08/04 Tue
Bucknell's 2004 fall exam period is 12/9-12/16. HC's is 12/11-12/18. If Bucknell can schedule as they have, I don't see how a two day difference in the exam period can be a factor in preventing HC from scheduling as good a December as the Bison. There is a growing multitude of "holiday" tournaments.
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hc tests cover 2 weekends(again)-a disadvantage.. -- hchoops, 10:57:26 06/08/04 Tue
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Re:tests cover 2 weekends(again)-a disadvantage.. -- NTKHC64, 12:36:50 06/08/04 Tue
hoops, very good point, and one I obviously overlooked. So whose task is it to attempt to alter the reading period/ exam schedule so that we lose only one weekend? Isn't this evidence of how athletics isn't even given one small basic consideration? Interesting is the fact that Bucknell has a one day reading period while we have a three day period. Why? A member of the basketball staff told me there was "frustration." Here's just one example.
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It's travel -- Gate Raider, 00:31:35 06/09/04 Wed
Pitt, Penn, and St. Joe's are all easy travel games for Bucknell. You guys should concentrate on BC, Prov. and Conn. and you would stack up just as well. Gate plays Syracuse away every year - does that really mean anything?
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Re: OOC schedule @HC vs. Bucknell's -- Rick, 09:04:20 06/09/04 Wed
Question #9 from a 2002 Q&A with Ralph Willard....
9. There has been a lot of discussion about scheduling difficulties due to our recent success. What difficulties have you encountered in scheduling games and what can be done to overcome these difficulties?
When I first got here, everyone was calling to play us. Now, no one will play us. Northeastern, Vermont, Hartford, Yale, New Hampshire, UMass, and Providence have all dropped us. The basic reality is that coaches feel they can’t afford to lose to a Patriot League team and our showing in the NCAA’s the past two years has made us a very credible threat. I have friends at the so-called “major” schools and they basically say “if you were in my position, would you play you?” Unfortunately, most of the fans at these schools think of our league as the bottom of the college basketball food chain and a loss would be intolerable. So, no coach wants to play a “no win” game that they might lose. With Providence, UMass, and UConn, I have tried to sell the history of the rivalry, but to no avail. There is virtually nothing that can be done to combat this as long as RPI and a 65-team NCAA field remain in place.
On this point, I have been asked at different Alumni outings what can be done to improve our RPI and possible NCAA seeding. The answer is nothing and it doesn’t matter. The Patriot League will never get higher than a 15 seed until it wins an NCAA tourney game (we are the only league that hasn’t). As a coach at this level, my goal is not RPI (we were 88 in 2001 and received a 15 seed). Any league game will bring down your RPI no matter who you play out of conference, and honestly, the only thing that matters is winning the conference tournament and that means playing your best basketball in March. Everything you do in terms of scheduling, player rotation, etc. must be geared for that to happen. This is the level of our league and we should understand the positives and the limitations that are the reality of its place in college basketball.
What Bucknell has accomplished for it's 2004-05 OOC schedule appears to directly contradict Ralph's views and/or experiences as of 2002 as to what avenues are available to HC.
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Re: OOC schedule @HC vs. Bucknell's -- HC1843, 09:44:33 06/09/04 Wed
Bucknell's men's team has not danced in quite some time and until they do and scare or beat a team in the first round, they will not face the same problems that HC now faces.
This being said, if HC has another off year like last year, we should start getting some more "high quality" games in the OOC.
Then again, I would like to see the coaching staff enter into some short-term contracts (i.e. 3 years) where we go after better teams and agree ideally to a two for one, but if necessary agree to 100% travel.
Does anyone know if Coach W is still looking for a 3rd recruit or if he will save the schollie to reload more players next year?
Cheers.
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Re: OOC schedule @HC vs. Bucknell's -- Fred, 10:14:10 06/09/04 Wed
I am curious about this issue. I am a fan of both HC and Boston U.
BU typically has some big names on their schedule and have acually defeated both Florida State and Michigan. The American East is not much better than the PL.
Why can't Holy Cross do the same?
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Re: OOC schedule @HC vs. Bucknell's - Fred -- Rick, 10:45:22 06/09/04 Wed
Part of the answer is above....
Where has BU played those 'big' games ? On the road....although I suspect that may change when BU's new Agganis Arena is finished.
The Patriot ranked 26TH ( America East 23rd ) out of 32 D-I hoops conferences last season in RPI index.
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Re: OOC schedule @HC vs. Bucknell's - Fred -- pittman, 11:21:31 06/09/04 Wed
If,as you say, the Patriot League is rated #26 out of 32 conferences, how did it get relegated to the PLAY-IN game for yhe NCAA's this year?
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Re: LU & play-in....pitt -- Rick, 13:05:25 06/09/04 Wed
dunno....
In going back and looking at both the conf. & team RPI rankings for NCAA Tourney participants it appears that the play-in game should have been Alabama State ( .4264 RPI and a #16 seed ) instead of Lehigh ( .4666 RPI ) VS. Florida A&M ( .4169 RPI ). Plus, Alabama State played in one of the few conferences ranked below the Patriot ( error in my post to Fred above - 31 conferences not 32 in total )
Can't recall if we discussed this here or if/how the NCAA arrived at this match-up.
anyone ?
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Re: LU & play-in....pitt -- Ray, 17:23:13 06/09/04 Wed
Consensus at the time was that the NCAA has a desire to rotate the PI-game slots among as many conferences/teams as possible, within reason. Lehigh was, IIRC, #3 from the bottom in terms of RPI of the 65-team field, and the PL having never had a PI-game entrant (but the lower two conferences/teams having been relegated previously), the NCAA took the opportunity to send the PL champ, since it was at least a defensible selection.
Also discussed was that there's a subtle element of race involved there, since the bottom-rated conferences that most often end up in the PI game are from the SWAC and MEAC, two conferences strongly populated by "historically black" colleges. I don't know whether any of the SWAC/MEAC people are complaining about this, but now the NCAA can defend themselves by saying that they've had two Northeastern private schools (LU and Siena) in the PI game in the last 4(?) years.
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Re: OOC schedule @HC vs. Bucknell's - Fred -- Fred, 11:53:15 06/09/04 Wed
Rick,
You make some good points above. The schedule should be geared towards winning the league tournament. BU played an ambitious schedule, but were upset in the first game of their tourney.
It's league schedule that hurts HC, not the OOC schedule.
The RPI of 23 of the American East is not appreciably different than that of the PL (26), IMO.
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Re: bucknell's hoops sched -- Observer, 15:58:11 06/09/04 Wed
Rick You're right. The RPI rankings suggested a SWAC-MEAC match-up as they do in most yrs. I surmise that some "PC-ness" was at hand in not having the those two conferences
"always" in the play-in game {except in the years when a 12-18 team (e.g.Siena in 2002) springs an upset in its conference tourney.}
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