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Subject: Investigative polls about these matters


Author:
Knuit Holt
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Date Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2017, 05:00: pm
In reply to: Knut Holt 's message, "Secret international program for physical examinations of teens under anesthesia" on Friday, October 07, 2016, 11:09: am


I HAVE MADE SOME POLLS TO INVESTIGATE THINGS OF THE KIND TOLD ABOUT HERE AND RELATED ISSUES


Alien abduction - investigation of memories of alien abduction or similar events

Memories of events that may be interpreted as alien abduction are quite common. Some may be from real abduction by non-human beings coming in strange flying vehicles.

Others may be actions done by governmental agencies or mafias for various purposes that have some of the same type of details.

Often one does not remember the abduction as such, but one remembers only some loose details during some kind of ordeal one has been subjected to.

I have made a poll to investigate these memories. If you have experienced something of the kind, please go to the poll and answar. All the answars will be lain out in the massage forum of the poll to be commented further upon.

The address of the poll:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/616524


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Extended mandatory well-child examination under anesthesia:

In certain areas the health authorities has begun to subject children and teens to extended well-child physicals where one performs several or all of the following procedures: inspections with optical scopes through all or several body openings,ultrasound examinations of most body structures, x-ray taking of joints, EEG and EKG. The kid is often given sedation or even general anesthesia during these extended physicals to make the kid cooperative and to hinder him or her from remembering. Still the kid will remember a lot of details around the procedures and sometimes also from the procedures themselves, because anesthesia never works perfectly, and the kid will always have some symptoms afterwards that tell a lot of what has been done. This poll has the aim of investigating experiences from such ordeals.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/611395

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Poll about cystoscopy:

By cystoscopy the doctor looks into your bladder with a long instrument. This instrument can be rigid like a stick or flexible. All age groups have cystoscopies. In some comunities a cystoscopy seem to be a mandatory exam at some ages of children and teens. These communities are probably not many yet, but this type of exam seem to increase in frequency, both for special purposes and for mandatory or recomended screening. This poll has the purpose of establishing a picture of the frequence of this type of exam in different age groups and the arrangements during the exam.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/615327

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Secret medical exams and procedures under anesthesia:

There is growing indices pointing to a practice of doing secret exams and procedures on both children and adults in addition to the thing they are under anesthesia for. Such ordeals may be done for research, for trainging of medical students, ordered by child protective agencies, ordered by school health service, ordered by police or asked for by parents or relatives. This poll is to find out how common signs of such secret ordeals having been done are. This poll has beenlaunched in several sesseions.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/608976

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Called in for a strange physical or psycological exam:

There is growing indices pointing to a practice of doing secret exams and procedures on both children and adults in addition to the thing they are under anesthesia for. Such ordeals may be done for research, for trainging of medical students, ordered by child protective agencies, ordered by school health service, ordered by police or asked for by parents or relatives. This poll is to find out how common signs of such secret ordeals having been done are.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/605807


All the polls also have a message board. The individual stories of each participant will be published here. Here you can add comments or ask questions.

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[> [> Subject: Wnen doctors and the authorities becom abusers - an intersting Norwegian abuse case


Author:
Knuit Holt
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Date Posted: Tuesday, April 04, 2017, 01:56: pm


The Bjugn Child Case - A mysterious Norwegian Child Abuse Case

by Knut Holt
http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm

The Bjugn-case is a mysterious Norwegian child abuse case that disturbed the whole of the country Norway, but eventually ran out without any person pronounced guilty and sentenced. Based on the facts is obvious that no sexual abuse in the common sense happened. But still something serious possibly happened with the children before the case, something committed by other instances than those accused, but was not sexual abuse as one thinks about it. In the following this possible solution to the case is explained.

GEOGRAPHICAL AND CULTURAL BACKGROUND

Bjugn is an isolated rural comunity with a town situated at the mid west coast of Norway. This history happened in 1994, in a period where Norwegian media and authorities were running intensive information campain about child abuse, a campain that far exeeded the limits of gross and exaggerated propaganda regarding the frequency of sexual abuse, what can be defined as sexual abue, symptoms of sexual abuse and the consequences of abuse.

Before the history took place there was therefore a high sensibility in the Norwegian population about any symnptom that could suggest child sexual abuse. People tended to interprete anything unusual with a andult as symptoms of him or her being an abuser. Anything unusual with a child tended to be interpreted as symptoms of being victim of sexual abue, regardless of this unusual was something positive or negative.


THE BJUGN CASE AS IT EVOLVED

The ordeal initiated by some children attending a specific kindergarten, BotnegÄrd kindergarten, began showing fear of being in the kindergarten and other places in the community where children often were brought for various purposes. They also showed signs of fear of being naked and about bodily procedures of all kind, like mdical procedures. At the onset, the fear was not connected to any specific person.

Some of the parents, began their own investigations, mainly by performing their own interrogation of the children and posing suggestive questions regarding specific persons working in the kindergarten, and what they did to the children. Soon the attention of both the children and the parents were directed towards a male assistant in the kindergarten. The children told a lot about other persons, especially persons of authority in the community, but those others were ignored in the first place.

The children could tell bizarre, but fairly consistant histories about things done to them and things they witnessed. In those histories the accused assistant and others took them into a special room in the kindergarten, The Blue Room, or drove them to other places in the community. There a group of persons subjected then to frightening bodily and menal ordeals. In the stories the assistant played more a role as a person thet brought the children to those places than an active participant in the ordeals.

Allthough the histories were so bizarre that they hardly could be peossible ad told, the histories were remarkably consistant.

In the subsequent development more children were added and extensive investigations were initiated by the social services, the health services, the police and by the parents themselves.

As the investiagtion went on several other suspected persons were added, especially persons with a role in the community services, and even the sherrif in the comune was added as as suspect.

But the material revealed from interrogations of the children and the involved adults had some major problems.

The histories of the children did not look like histories of classical sexual abuse.

The children told they had been naked and taken picture of, one gets the impression that the picture taking was done in a very standarized way, not the way one takes pictures in a sexual setting.

The children told that they had been lain naked in cribs, and also there taken picture of, but sgain one gets the impression that this was a standardized action following some algoritm.

One got plenty descriptions of the use of something that could look like a male sexual organs, but the children always described the actions of these things more like actions of technical equipment. especially endoscopic equipment, and not human body parts.

They told about men that did something ritualistic with their penises,including emptying some slime from the penises in buckets, but the description did not fit very well with any sexual action, but more with someone preparing some medical technical equipment before use.

The children told about being stung with needles, being touched in their bottom, and their genitals being spread open, but again things they told about sounded more like some standardized medical procedure than anything else.

Eventually they managed to get a couple of the children say they had been subjected to intercource, but it was doubtful if they undertood what they was made to tell about.

The children told about violence against children at a secret place, but one never found any indication that the children ever had been subjected to violence. It seemed more that they had witnessed something they interpreted as violence against children.

The children also told about bizarre violence and sacrifices of animals, and of naked people doing bizarre ritualistic sexual actions with themselves. They also told about sexual actions with sheep.

The places described were mostly totally different from the house of the assistant or others accused. In some stories his house figured, but the description of the interior fid not match. No private houses or farms were ever found that could fit the stories. But some official buildings, including the health center, figured in the stories, but this clue was ignored.

The timeframes of the histories did not correspond to the time the accused persons had access to the children or had the possibility of abusing any children.

Throughout lengthy and exhaustive interrogations subjected to the children, the histories remained the same, only more details were added.

The police and social services tried in any means to manipulate the children to twist the stories into something that could sound like classical sexual abuse, but did not succeed, except for a couple they managed to tell about something that was interpreted as intercouce.

Doctors that examined the intimate areas of the children did however find changes that they interpreted as signs of sexual abuse.

Eventually there were a trial of only the kindergarten assistant, but the inconsistencies of the stories with the practical opportunities he could have had to do those acts, as well as the total lack of technical proof connected to the accused person, made him to be pronounced not guilty.


WHAT IS THEN THE SOLUTION TO THE BJUGN RIDDLE

It is obvious that no sexual abuse in ordinary sene had been done, and that the kindergarten assistent was not guilty in any crime. But still, the symptoms of the children, and their bizarre, but conistant stories suggest that something serious and secret had been going on with the children. But what is the most probable solution to that riddle?

The solution that makes most sense is that some secret medical and psychological project had used several children in the community as guinea pigs. During these projects the they had eamined them in their body openings with endoscopic instruments, which children explained by saying that one used penises on them.

They were probably also subjected to psychological and neurological tests where bizarre actions were staged by means of dolls, backdrops and audiovisual technology, and their reflexes, psychological reactions and culturally based reactions were monitored.

The most bizarre details in the stories, were produced as a result of these tests, of fantacies based on the general propaganda in the society regarding abuse, and by the suggestions from the investigative staff during the interrogation.

One possibly brought the children from the kindergarten to special laboratories in the surrounding areas equipped for the task. This could partly be done without the knowledge of the parents, or on the pretence that the child was brought for some medical exam or pedagogical fieldtrip.

Such happenings is fairly frequent happenings in Norwegian kindergartens and schools, and Norwegion parents are generally socialized to accept explanations given and not ask further questions.

But the ordeals could also have happened when children were brought by parents to health centers or hospitals for some other exam which involved sedation or general anesthesia. Then the staff used the opportunity also to do these secret tasks.

They probably gave the children some kind of sedation at some point, passibly already in the kindergarten so that the children got easy to handle and so that they should not remember anything. Still it is impossible to hinder them totally from remembering, with the result that they remembered the details of the ordeals in a partial, distorted and bizzare way.

The staff in the kindergarten did probably not participate in these actions, except thay they probably assambled the children, possibly brught them alomg in a car and delivered them to those responsible for the projects. The kindergarten assitent did probably not know what was done with the children, but thought they were brought for som ordinary medical exams, psychological tests or pedagogical fieldtrips. Other employees in the kindergarten possible knew more, but probably not many details.

The projects was probably arranged by medical companies, health institutions, secret services or even by the Norwegian Child Protective system. The purpoes could have been pure physiological and psychological research, test of new medications, experiments of brainwashing techiques, investigation of people's and families habits, microbial specimen taking and harvesting of tissue from the body of the childre. Ironically, the purpose could even be secret screening of the children for sexual or physical abuse by means of physical examinations and pychological tests.

Knut Holt

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm

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[> [> [> Subject: A CASE REPORT FROM THIS SECRET PROGRAM - Boy 13yo, USA


Author:
Knut Holt
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Date Posted: Saturday, April 29, 2017, 09:05: pm

By Knut Holt

http://www.abicana.com

I have investigated this international ordeal for some time, mostly through polls, and I have collected many histories that have made me able to know most details about the program.

Here is one typical case:

Boy, 16yo, fieldtrip from school for internal exams and removal of apendix

I am male. It happened as early teen, 16yo, in North America, in 2010 or later. Some sort of field trip to examine me. School buss picked me up at school. The procedure happened in a hospital.


OVERVIEW OF THE EPROCEDURE:

I had dental work. I had an exam or surgery in my stomach area. Other kind of exam or procedure. It was a lot like what the other people have desrcibed except I had my appendix removed.


SYMPTOMS AND OBSERVATIONS AFTER THE PROCEDURE:

I had pain, irritation or other problems in my nose. I had pain, irritation or other problems in my mouth. I had pain, in my respiratory tract or lungs, in my hip joints or hip muscles, in urethra or bladder and in my anus or rectum.

The procedure or the time til l regained consciousness was at least twice than expected. The school health service was more than usually interested in me around the time of the procedure, and asking questions or doing exams that did not seem to be related to the procedure. I wasn't sure how long I was out for.


THE ANESTHESIA I GOT:

I was given sedative medicines through my mouth, I was given medication intravenously. They gave me gas through a mask. I was unconscious all the time. They put a mask on me and gave me an injection. I was asleep the whole time. I was given scrubs to wear during waiting times.

Details of the examination procedure remembered or told to the boy: I was told the day afterwards that my appendix was removed. When I arrived I had a dentist exam where they filled a small cavity I had. Then I was taken for a doctor's exam followed by being washed and taken to an operating room.


ARRANGEMENTS DURING NIGHT AND MORNING AFTER THE PROCEDURE:

A couple of IVs. Yeah, I had catheter, and I didn't like it. Heart monitor and blood pressure cuff. Yeah they woke me up a couple of times during the night.


COMMENTS:

It looks like they did more with the boy than just the exam and removal of the apendix. When one uses a scope inside the abdominal cavity, removal of apendix is a very easy and swift procedure if a qualified surgeon is at the place.

But the unexpectedly long time it took, pain in the hip area, unusual dicomfort from the catheter, and that they woke him up a couple of times during the night, points to some lengthy procedure where he was lying with legs wide open and some adjustments done in his urethra and prostate area.

From his answar it looks like he got an injection to fall asleep immediately as he arrived in the operating room. This points to a more lengthy and difficult mounting procedure in the operating room than usual, which further points to some extensive pelvic procedure.

Alternatively they possibly did some adjustments further up in his bladder and towards or inside his kidneys.

Still another althernative is some type of adjustment in his anus, rectum or colon.

These adjustments may have been done by surgical removal of blockages, or widening with balloons that were pumped up.

He reports that the school health service was unusually interested in him before the exam. What exactly was in their interest may clearify what was done.

If his parents was instructed to nurse or check him in some ways before or after the ordeal, this could also clearify what was done.

Also additional exams after the ordeal by the school health service or some other doctor can give better understanding of the procedure done.

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