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Date Posted: 13:41:52 02/17/06 Fri
Author: Sound Mind
Subject: Re: NOT Rubbish!
In reply to: Sheepdog 's message, "Re: NOT Rubbish!" on 19:33:17 02/15/06 Wed

>>>>since people really do believe it (GOrthodoxy), and
>>according to you would be misguided in that belief...
>>hence ...
>
>SD: Again, a "belief" is a word that means "a guess".
>I do not "believe" in Christ. I KNOW who he is and
>what he is and I know it not because somebody said it
>was so....

No actually it's not a "guess". My reference refers to the ENGLISH definition since that is the language we are using in this forum:

be�lieve ( P ) Pronunciation Key (b-lv)
v. be�lieved, be�liev�ing, be�lieves

v. intr.
1. To have firm faith, especially religious faith.

Additionally:

Let's examine The Bible where it states that ...whoever "BELIEVES" in Christ... is God saying that all you have to do is just "guess" that He is Lord? According to that verse, you don't need to KNOW anything. Belief, firm religios faith. That's the definition. If you want to call it "KNOW" then fine but we are talking about the same thing here regardless of the semantics and your inept attempt to thwart the truth and the WORD of GOD.

Just as your whole faith is built upon the foundation of semantic twistings of The BIBLE, your "arguments" display a microcosm of that environment. And just like your Mormon faith, you consistently contradict yourself. I just wish you could see it for yourself and break free. Maybe one day... God willing...

Logic 101: If you "KNOW" something then it is implied you also "BELIEVE" that same something.

OR are you saying that you KNOW your religion is correct but do not "BELIVE" it is? Now that sounds pretty silly doesn't it?

Beilef and Know are interchangable here.

Point being:

When you tell me to judge not lest I be judged, in calling you brainwashed, you fail to recognize that by default you "BELIEVE, KNOW, HAVE FAITH" that very same thing about me and every other non-Mormon on the planet.

You may not come out and say it, but since you "KNOW" you are right it follows that you "KNOW" everyone else is wrong. So before you call me out for being a harsh judge, KNOW that you are the exact same. GET IT?

Logic would dictate you to stop with the cliches as a form of debate.

So now in turn I would predict you to tell me that you do not BELIEVE what you KNOW. So the above does not apply to you! Just like you did initially in reverse!! Sheer Genius!!!

And yes, I am windy, but your inability to decipher the English language makes the lengthy explainations necessary.

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