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Date Posted: 21:48:48 04/04/02 Thu
Author: Rufus
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April 5, 2002

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Latest news – April 5, 2002
Now Shooting: Episode 22

Latest Rumors:

Posted by Steve DeKnight on the Bronze Beta on 3-30-02
Compiled by Rbabe on FF

Steve: I think there's some inconsistency from episode to
episode that's caused some of the confusion. e.g., between As
You Were and Normal Again, you can't much tell that Buffy has a
concern about Spike himself. It looks more like she's concerned
with herself, how being with Spike is hurting *her*, and so on.
There's been a huge amount of posting about this over at
televisionwithoutpity.com...

But I do like the B/S chemistry, and the fact that oddly enough, the
Slayer and the vampire do have some interesting, important
things in common. Things that neither of them may be able to
get from anyone else. But the storyline would need a whole
interesting new direction to get Spuffy working right. (So I'll start
praying now for Season 7. Because I still think Spuffy could have
great potential.)

Thanks again for chatting with us!


Dallas Viewer: I know a lot of fans have commented on the
Buffy/Spike inconsistencies, but for me they really don't exist.
Buffy's feelings for Spike have been plotted specifically to be all
over the map. She's back from the dead, she's hurting, she's
confused. Not just about Spike, but about everything. Maybe
those glasses will help clear things up.
---------------------------------
Steve - will Dawn ever get more involved (perhaps as involved as
she was in season 5)???
Rack: We have plans for Dawn. Hee hee hee.
--------------------------------
Steve: dead things is the best ep of the season -i've said it
before THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
Rack: Thanks. It's nice to know I managed to sneak in a good
one. So does that mean I can do a couple of bad episodes now?
How much time do I have before I have to cough up another
good one? `Cause that's, like, work.
-----------------------------
Steve: Wouldn't Buffy be, like, dead (again) if Spike hadn't been
there this year? Yet, it hasn't even crossed Buffy's mind to be
grateful to Spike for his support this year, and especially when
she was suicidal during OMWF.

On the contrary, she treats Spike (who she still sees as just a
"thing" and therefore not worthy of respect or gratitude) like crap.
And in As You Were, she tells Spike that being with him is killing
her. Now that's ironic. I guess Buffy forgot that being with Spike,
at least initially, saved her this year.

Here's why I mention this. A lot of viewers--if the various BtVS
web sites are to be believed--find Buffy really **unlikable**
lately--primarily because she's been such a royal bitca with
respect to Spike. (Gotta say, this is the first season of BtVS
where I just wanted to slap Buffy and root for Spike!)

Okay, while I don't do spoilers, I gather some of Buffy's actions
were written deliberately, to get Spike really ticked off, setting the
stage for future developments. But did you guys really intend for
us to sympathize more with Spike than with Buffy at this point?
Because I see a lot of that pro-Spike/anti-Buffy sentiment on the
boards lately.

Dallas Viewer: Buffy sure has been rough on Spike. But she
recognizes that, and knows deep down it's wrong. This is
particularly evident in the final scene of Dead Things. On the
other hand, Spike is a complicated character. He's trying to be
good, but man does it go against his nature as a vamp.
Personally, I'm rooting for these crazy kids to work things out.
-------------------------------
Steve: *pictures Doug and the bass* mmmmmm. but you've got
a name now, huh? and you are going to make this act public?
Tralfamdore2001: Doug and I jam occasionally with James in
his trailer. Doug lays down the sweet funky bass, and I come in
with the smooth lead. Oh, did I mention we totally suck? James
is brilliant, but Doug and I are musically challenged, to say the
least.
-------------------------------
Steve: oh, brave DeKnight coming in here after all the fuss over
the Marti interview...hee hee
Miller's angel: Yeah, I was a bit surprised by all the fuss over
Marti's interview. I read it, but didn't see why everyone was so
upset. What was the dealio?

Posted by Wanda on E!Online on 4-1-02
http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Wanda/Trans/Archive2002/0204
01b.html

From jrgriff: We Buffy fans haven't had a hint on the big Scooby
death in over a month. Please oblige!
Sorry, I've been a bit tongue-tied with all this Buffy-Angel camp
hobnobbing lately. But I can tell you this, from the rumor-as-fact
mill: The Scooby death is someone who is very much loved, and
it triggers the ultimate ugliness in another Scooby.

From kellym: Is Anya ever coming back to Buffy? I miss her.
Yes, but she'll be entirely different from when we last saw her.
Xander better run. Fast.

From yemaya_77: Does Spike die this season...or maybe next?
Not that I've heard. James has already signed a contract that
takes him through the end of next season.

From natalie24922: Was Marti Noxon positive about no more
Buffy/Spike? PLEASE TELL ME!
She made it pretty clear that they're not dabbling in any positive
Spuffiness from here on out. The upcoming episodes bring back
more of the Spike of old.

From turnofthecentury: What about Giles?
Marti said it has been very difficult to get him back on this side of
the pond, so they haven't yet been able to do it. But she said
nearly the same thing about Marc Blucas two weeks before his
episode aired--so take it with a shovel of salt.

Posted by Total Stranger on BC&S Spoiler Board

the other night I was in an LA chat on MSN...as usual I asked the
eternal question:any cool/famous ppl here??...and I got an
answer...an actor guy...he's real nice...but anyway going off
topic...he gave me exclusive dish on Buffy...so on to ep
22...apparently Spike is in a cave in Africa...he's meeting a
demon...Spike says he's here for what he came for(duh!!)...the
demon thrusts his hand into the undead english patient's
chest...fade to black...ohh yeah...ep 21 is called 2 To Go(refers
to the remaining members of the Troika)...BlackMagickWillow
blows up the police station and chases Xander,Andrew,and
Jonathan in a semi until she runs out of juice...blah, blah,
blah...read part of that at spoilerslayer...bye...sorry for da rant...

Posted by Fraz on FF on 4-2-02

"Entropy"
4/30/02
Since Xander and Anya's wedding fiasco the two have had time
to reflect and both miss each other a lot. But the situation turns
ugly again when Anya and Spike, both feeling spurned (and the
affects of a lot of whisky), sleep together.and Xander and Buffy
happen to witness it.

"Seeing Red"
5/7/02
Buffy, Anya and Xander all try to deal with the fallout of feeling
betrayed when Spike and Anya slept together. After creating a
weapon that gives the trio super human powers,Warren goes
after Buffy, and during a grueling battle Buffy breaks the orb that
gives Warren his power. Warren escapes but Joanathan and
Andrew are thrown in jail. Seeking revenge, Warren later shoots
Buffy, slightly wounding her, but a stray bullet hits and kills Tara.

"Villains"
5/14/02
Willow is consumed by vengeful feelings after Tara's death and
musters all the evil magic power she can in order to take her
revenge. Buffy and Xander try to track down Willow and stop her
before she gets to Warren and kills him - human laws must
apply to humans, Buffy argues. Meanwhile, Spike visits a
powerful evil force in Africa to try to get his chip removed and
restore him to his old, vampirey self.

"Two To Go"
(seamless 2-hour)
5/21/02
PART 1: After exacting revenge on Warren for Tara's death, an
extremely powerful and vengeful Willow now vows to go after the
other two members of the trio, Jonathan and Andrew, forcing
Buffy into the unlikely role of nerd-villain protector due to her
belief that it is wrong to kill humans. At the Magic Box, Willow
catches up to them all and takes on Buffy and Anya. Things are
looking bad until Giles comes back to join the fight. Meanwhile,
Spike undergoes a fiery test given by the African demon in order
to win his soul. Also, after getting his heart broken by Buffy, Spike
is in search of a soul undergoes a fiery test given by the African
demon in order to win it.

"Two To Go -- PART 2"
5/21/02
PART 2 OF SEAMLESS 2-HOUR.
Giles returns. Willow and Buffy fight head-to-head; Spike
searches for a soul.

Posted by Tensai on the Spoiler Slayer on 4-3-02
http://spoilerslayer.com/buffyblog.php

I've just gotten some new information on the Season Finale (and
confirmation of what's airing on April 23rd - Older and Far Away).
Again, this is coming from a reliable source and I've seen
hardcopy as well.

According to the information I have, the Season Finale may not
be aired as 'Two To Go' Part One and Two. The titles I have for
the May 21st airdate are...
Episode 21: Two To Go
Episode 22: Grave

Posted by BBOvenGuy on the BC&S Spoiler Board on 4-3-02

The Buffy crew was in the Stoner Park neighborhood near Santa
Monica tonight, a spot they use quite frequently since their
studios are less than a mile down the road. They were on
Westgate Avenue between Missouri and La Grange, exactly the
same spot where Dawn and her friends went Halloween
prankstering in "All the Way." And in some ways, tonight's action
looked very similar - not in the prankstering, but in the fact that
Dawn was taking another walk down that very same sidewalk.

There seems to have been a late change in the Buffy crew's
plans, because my initial notification said the shoot would run
from 2pm to 6am tomorrow morning. I arrived at the park at
around 3:15, figuring I'd miss the setup work and arrive in time
for a daylight shoot. Imagine my surprise when I found nothing
but an equipment truck and some lights sitting there! Lucky for
me I brought some books along, so I settled into my car and did
some reading. Finally around 6:00 wwolfe (from the C&S)
showed up, and we talked Buffy stuff until the crew finally
showed up and began to get things ready.

When the cast van arrived, out hopped Michelle Trachtenberg,
Nick Brendon, Danny Strong and Tom Lenk. By this time the
entire length of the sidewalk had been lit and was strewn with
cables, while a SteadyCam operator was standing ready.

And also a prop guy carrying two large swords.

They only did one shot while I was there, but it was a long one,
and because we were right across the street we could hear
much of the dialogue. Here it is:

Xander and Dawn are walking down the street, talking. Xander's
very upset. Dawn's trying to get him to snap out of whatever fit of
temper he's in. Behind them, Jonathan and Andrew are walking
along. They two surviving nerds are dressed all in black, as they
were in Van Nuys the other night, and they're carrying the big
swords. They're not attacking. They're not forcing Xander and
Dawn along. They look like they're an escort or protection or
something. They don't say anything in the entire scene. They're
just there.

Now, here's the dialogue:
We couldn't hear the first bit, but apparently Dawn is talking
about getting help or helping someone or something. Xander
launches into a rant about what their "help" has been good for
lately - "Buffy's been shot, Tara's dead, Willow losing it..."

Then there's more we couldn't make out, and Dawn says
something about how Xander feeling sorry for himself isn't going
to help anything.

Then there's still more we couldn't make out, but the dialogue
that follows makes it pretty clear that Dawn is suggesting that
Spike would be helpful, or would have been helpful if he was
around. Xander's reply: "Yeah, if he's not too busy trying to rape
your sister."

Dawn stops dead. "What?" she asks.

Xander just looks at her, then turns and keeps walking.

"I don't believe you," says Dawn, hurrying to keep up.

"Is there some kind of genetic blind spot with you Summers
women?" says Xander. "The only useful thing that animal ever
did was finally leave town."

And that's where the scene ended. The cast went on break, and I
called it a night. There were other spectators there, and so if
something else dramatic is being done tonight I'll probably get
word later on.

This was a scene from the season finale, by the way. There are
three more location shoots on the calendar. The season is
supposed to wrap on April 9, which is next Tuesday, although
they're still supposedly running late so there's an outside chance
we'll have more to see during the rest of next week.

Reported by a "secret agent" on 4-4 02

Well, I made it down to the location shoot tonight. No Spike! :-(
The scene was with Xander and Dawn walking down the street
and talking. Andrew and Jonathan were walking behind them
dressed in black from head to toe. Andrew and Jonathan were
carrying swords, but they did not have any lines. At first, I though
that Jonathan and Andrew were up to no good (like maybe they
had captured Xander and Dawn or were stalking them). But
Jonathan and Andrew didn't seem to be holding the swords
threateningly. They seemed awkward and goofy with the
weapons. The more I watched, the more it seemed like
Jonathan and Andrew were tagging along with Xander and
Dawn--almost like they were on their way to a Scooby mission.

Here are the lines I managed to hear. I've paraphrased since
they seemed to rephrase what they were saying for each take,
trying out different versions of the same line. Words in brackets
are things I couldn't hear clearly.

--begin scene--
X: ...Your sister was shot. Tara got killed.

D: You're just feeling sorry for yourself because you [can't/didn't
fight]. If Spike were here, he'd go back
and fight.

X: Sure, if he wasn't too busy trying to rape your sister. (Note:
Some takes had this line as, "Sure, if
he wasn't busy *raping* your sister." Important difference I think.)

DAWN STOPS SHORT.

D: What?!

X: Forget it.

D: I don't believe you! Spike would never do that!

X: Is this blind spot a genetic thing with you Summers women?
The only good thing that guy ever did was leave town. (Note:
Some takes had this line as, "The only good thing that *animal*
ever did was leave town.")
--end scene--

Reported by Wyvern on 4-4-02

Additional information re episode 19

1. The scene between Spike and Buffy happens in Buffy's house.
2. Buffy doesn't go to Xander; after Spike leaves, Xander comes
into the house and sees Buffy crying and with a bruise and
draws conclusions.
3. Buffy never uses the word "rape."

Posted by AngelX on
http://www.angelicsunset.com/spboard.html

Spoilers: 4/2/02
In response to comments about Buffy's joking remarks about
Spike in the "April Fools Wildfeed." (Next time, I'm just going to
stay quiet.)

What actually is said isn't any nicer.

Further elaboration on that since I managed to upset people by
unintentionally implying Buffy is mean to Spike...
She's not mean or nasty... she's just honest and it's not what
Spike wants to hear.

Spoilers: 4/1/02
No actual spoilers, but just clarification for any confused... The
wildfeed posted by Leoff on this day of jokes was of course a
April Fools creation. Many were in on it and many bought it.
However, the summary he created was based on actual spoilers
and in the order that they actually occur. In a broad sense, the
summary created by Leoff was what actually happens as far as
the script is concerned (minus the very last scene, of course). All
my comments on my board about them were from me (despite
the varying IP addys), and for the most part, I was pretty honest in
my replies. :)

Posted by Fraz on FF on 4-4-02

OK the gist of the info is that the beginning of season 7 has
Spike not telling what happened to him in africa.
So no one knows if he changed or not.

Info goes on and says that Spike begins kinda stalking Buffy
again where she keeps thinking she senses him but turns
around and he is not there.

But he does little sweet things like a secret admirer and Buffy
has no clue that it is Spike. Never thinks of him that way but that
she is likeing these little things the secret admirer is doing.

Also said that Giles is back and it has to do with the Magic box.

They didnt say anything about Willow and Tara other than the
actress that plays Tara they have had her sign a contract her and
the actor that plays Giles for a option of 13 episodes thru out
Season 7.

(separate post)
That is not what was said it said they had Tara and Giles actors
sign a 13 episode option.
Just like this season on Roswell we expected to see Amy
Deluca who was signed for 13 episodes and she never showed
up. It is just that they have a contract if they want them to appear
signed. Just wanted to get that cleared up.

Posted by AngelX on the BC&S Spoiler Board on 4-4-02

Unlike many, I *have* read the scene and I do know how severe
a scene it is. It is not going to be a pretty scene, that's a given. As
a fan, as a shipper, as an attempted rape victim, I don't like it one
bit...but I understand and accept why it exists and in whatever
way it actually occurs, I'm not going to jump to any conclusions,
good or bad, until I've seen it with my own two eyes. Whether you
want to wait as well to freak out over it, that's your decision, but
until the scene airs, no more dissecting the scene for whatever it
may be. It's going to be intense and like everything else on this
show there will be people who hate it and people who love it and
people who see it as it's supposed to be seen and people who
contort it to be their worst nightmare or dream come true.

The scene as originally scripted and filmed went through
extensive cuts because the big execs who matter were seriously
upset with it. We know the scene will happen, but not exactly
HOW it will happen. Until then, everyone needs to relax and
show some level of maturity and lay off the sensitive topics until
the episodes have aired.

Join me in the Crypt of Decryption:

My head is spinning!

We have confirmation from two reliable sources of the titles of
episodes 21 and 22: Two to Go and Grave. That finale title
suggests something I've been expecting of the finale since the
season premiere. Buffybegan the season emerging from the
grave. Will she end the season confronted with the possibility of
returning to the grave?

We also have good news in the possible returns of Amber
Benson and Anthony Stewart Head. Unfortunately, Fraz indicates
that the contract option does not ensure the returns of both
actors, but there is reason for hope.

The scene that involves Spike attempting to force himself on
Buffy has been the subject of quite a bit of controversy today.
Wyvern's information clears up some questions about how
Xander finds out. However, we really won't know how the scene
will play until we see it for ourselves. AngelX's comments
demonstrate that the scene in question has undergone a lot of
revision, so it's hard to judge the ultimate impact from the script.

Fraz's potential Season 7 spoilage is very exciting--our first taste
of what Season 7 will have to offer us. Fraz is always reliable, so
we should take this spoilage seriously. However, we should
keep in mind that everything is subject to change until
filming--even when filming is ... well, only three months away!
Last year, filming began on July 19, which is coincidentally one
day away from my due date this year, so I am very very aware of
how close the date is! (15 weeks, if anyone is counting.)


Scheduled writers and episode titles:

Ep. #18 Drew Greenberg
Title: Entropy

Ep. #19 Steve DeKnight
Title: Seeing Red

Ep. #20 Marti Noxon
Title: Villains

Ep. #21 Doug Petrie
Title: Two to Go Updated 4-5-02

Ep. #22 David Fury
Title: Grave Updated 4-5-02

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