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Subject: Re: Anthony Huss? Author: Ryan [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 14:00:57 06/29/04 Tue In reply to: Forum member 's message, "Re: Anthony Huss?" on 12:43:42 06/29/04 Tue Your swimming analogy is a bit flawed. The military (and many LEOs and civilians) spend a lot of time training to shoot people without actually shooting them. I'm not arguing the pros or cons of sparring, because both exist, and I don't know Shields's reasoning, I'm only pointing out another side of things. Contracts are only bad for the students that don't want to pay. Other students benefit because the school owner is more able to update equipment regularly, pursue further training which benefits the students, offer a wider variety of pro shop items, bring in quality guest instructors, properly market the school to increase the student base (which in turn supports the previous pros), etc. It is difficult to do these things if you don't have a consistent income (not impossible, but difficult.) [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Anthony Huss? Author: Forum Member [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:37:55 06/29/04 Tue The swimming analogy is not flawed. It is absolutely correct. Training to fight should involve something akin to fighting, i.e. sparring. The military and LEO's do indeed shoot their weapon. The similar analogy to what you just posted would be if they pointed their weapon at a target, and said "Bang" but never loaded a round into the chamber and pulled the trigger. As far as contracts, they are bad for ALL students because the student can't leave if they don't get what they want. If the instructor doesn't follow through on what was promised, that's too bad for the student. Month to month payments mean the instructor can still get paid, the student has flexibility, and there's no underhandedness. Shields once told the guy who I train with that he should have contracts because then if the people don't train, you can still get paid. He asked Shields what about if they get injured and can't? Dude had no response. So maybe some instructors think it's a good deal, most students accept it if they have to but I few think it's good for them. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Anthony Huss? Author: Ryan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:41:57 06/29/04 Tue Well, I'll just agree to disagree, since I don't think we'll be changing any minds here (and I try to stay away from heresay and third hand info.) Take care, Ryan [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Contracts Again? Author: James Speight [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:53:36 06/30/04 Wed So let me see this about contracts “they are bad for ALL students” idea you want a commitment from your instructor but you don’t want to make a commitment to him. I know there are some underhanded things going on, “Belt Testing” $25 for a yellow, $1000 for a Black. Same $2.50 cotton belt. And I have seen a school that starts everyone one out on a $75 a month 12 month contact then increases in every year and makes you sign a new contract. So you have people paying different amounts like $75 $88 $110 just because they have been there longer. If a school is doing this they should be ashamed of themselves. But to blame the piece of paper that keeps you training a few months in the beginning while you are the most venerable to quit. When it is harder on your body and mind is crazy. Let’s say sex is bad because some people abuse it, not everybody is raping students. I have a six month contract that renews month to month after that and everybody pay the same amount, unless the rate gets raised in the first six months of someone’s contract then it gets raised after their six months is over when it goes to month to month. So let’s say it again. “All Contracts are not bad” Have something to say about a school then do it, but the contract shouldn’t be the only reason, you do to you don’t train with someone. We have visited this issue before. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Contracts Again? Author: James Speight [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:57:42 06/30/04 Wed See we have beat this issue before. See Below [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Contracts Again? Author: whitfield [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:06:39 07/01/04 Thu who is this mysterious "forum member" anyway? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Anthony Huss? Author: Billy D [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:52:24 07/08/04 Thu As far as the "pros and cons of sparring",what are the cons?I can't understand how anyone could expect to learn to fight with out actually fighting.Maybe I'm ignorant and should go learn some katas and start attacking boards. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Charlotte mma? Author: ambull01 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:02:38 07/09/04 Fri Besides Anthony Huss and Joe Hurst, are there any other mma schools near Charlotte? I train with Casey Oxendine in Johnson City, TN right now and I'd like to continue training when I move. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Charlotte mma? Author: David [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:32:35 07/12/04 Mon You could try Sucuri BJJ (Luis Togno) or Royce Gracie Jiu Jitsu Network. http://sucuribjj.com/ The Royce Gracie school doesn't have a website, but the contact is Mike Kogan (Royce Gracie and Rodrigo Gracie's manager) and the contact info can be found at www.roycegracie.tv Look under the "Network" section. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Charlotte mma? Author: David [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:33:56 07/12/04 Mon also you could try Carolinas Judo: http://www.judo-caja.com/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Charlotte mma? Author: David [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:50:48 07/13/04 Tue Link for that Royce Gracie school: http://nc.roycegracie.tv [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Anthony Huss? Author: Ryan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:33:44 07/12/04 Mon Someone's making quite a leap to katas and board breaking. Calm down there partner. As a business decision, many schools don't spar. People get hurt, people get intimidated, schools lose students, etc. I'm not saying I agree with that line of thinking, but it does exist, and the reasons are valid from a business side. It is also more difficult to obtain insurance if you spar. Regarding MMA in the Charlotte area, many have already been mentioned, but I'll again throw in Jeff Jimmo, who is certified under Eric Paulson and Bas Rutten. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Anthony Huss? Author: Independence_Wrestler [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:37:35 07/18/04 Sun Yeah Jeff looks pretty good. I met him while training Muay Thai with Dick Harrel and again saw him at the Bas Rutten seminar.Might take a drop down to his school soon enough. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Anthony Huss? Author: Scott Shields [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:44:50 07/26/04 Mon No Sparring!??!! We spar all of the time! I'm not sure where you guys are getting your info but I can assure you it is incorrect. I know because I personally roll and spar with my guys at the very least 3 to 6 hours a week. Now I don't allow people with no or very little knowledge spar because they have no idea what to do out there and they end up getting injured. I agree that you must drill, train soild tech and spar to properly prepare for fighting. If we didn't spar, how have we had guys compete and win many championships in many different venues? Including full contact sticking fighting and Submission grappling and BJJ??? Boy, I have no idea where this comes from! LOL!! As far as contracts are concerned, the info you guys are getting is not exactly accurate. What I have to say and of course is only my opinion is this... Gyms use contracts because it's a business. They, like us, have bills to pay every month. I make a committment to stay open and have classes and I expect people that come into the school to also make a commmittment to training for at least a year. IF they get hurt, then I give them time credit for the classes that they missed. A gym would not do the same by the way. IF someone moves away and cannot make classes, then I terminate the contract right away. I want to be fair to my students and I expect the same from them. I have have bills to pay just like them. I see no problem, of course this is just my opinion and some of you guys might disagree. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Anthony Huss? Author: Ryan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:21:19 07/27/04 Tue That's why I don't like to comment on second and third hand information. The bulk of the debate was based on erroneous information. Check your facts before posting publicly about a school or instructor. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Anthony Huss? Author: Forum member [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:40:12 07/27/04 Tue Sorry, but that's not true. If you train somewhere in a "kickboxing class" for a long time, and never spar, and get laughed at when you ask to spar, then I'm sorry, but that's not good training. Nor is it second or third hand, and nor is it erroneous. So how often do your JKD students put on the gear and spar? Ever? Doubt it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Anthony Huss? Author: Scott Shields [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:39:42 07/27/04 Tue I'm sorry that you disagree with me "forum member" but you are mistaken again. All students that have enough skill and have proper equipment can spar. I know this because the last time we sparred was Saturday! Before that it was Thursday, and so on. If you don't believe me, OK, so what? I'm not sure who you are, but if you ever trained in my school and I or one of the instructors laughed at you for asking to spar, it was most likely that you weren't skilled enough to "hold your own" without getting hurt. Although, laughing at you is a bit harsh, I'm sure that it was never meant to insult you. It doesn't matter how long someone has been training, some people just don't pick things up as quickly as others. I have safety as my number one concern for my students. Some students just don't know what to do, as evidenced by the desire to kickbox with bag gloves on and no mouthpiece! This is unacceptable in trying to run a school where people can come and train safely. You have your opinion and that ok, it's just based on false assumptions. Please feel free to email me if you or anyone else needs further clarification in this matter. Thanks [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Anthony Huss? Author: Forum member [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:17:38 07/27/04 Tue Ok, I was THERE for over a year and half. When I signed up with you, you had a "sparring class" on Saturdays. You canceled it soon after I started. After a year, I asked repeatedly when it would start again, or when sparring would be available, given that I had waited a year, as was your policy, in order to train with real resistance. Once I even asked you and Rob Hunter when we could spar and you both laughed and you said, "Uh...never." For your information, one and two step partner drills is NOT sparring. The only time I ever sparred was when I got together with other students OUTSIDE of your school. So maybe you have changed things since I left, but I think I would know what we did while I was there - and it wasn't sparring. So say what you want, I can only relate my experience. If you have changed things now, fine. If I sucked so bad that you just didn't want to let me spar, then apparently so did everyone else because you never had a "sparring class" for your JKD curriculum for the duration of the time I was there. Maybe you're mistaking two and three step preset drills as sparring. That's not sparring. Maybe you've changed things. That would be good for your students. But I can truthfully say the entire time I trained there, over a year and a half, I did not spar ONCE while there. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Anthony Huss? Author: Scott Shields [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:46:02 07/27/04 Tue OK, I remember you now. Your are correct, you never sparred.You are also correct that we never opened the sparring class again. This does not mean that sparring didn't take place it simply means that you didn't participate. Did you ever get the proper equipment? No. Many others did and many others got to spar.I'm sorry that you didn't have a good experience at the school. I know the difference between one and two step drills and sparring also, there is no need to be disrespectful here. I understand you are clearly upset about this issue, and I hope you know that Rob Hunter and myself would have never "laughed" at you with any insulting intent. If you you took it that way, then I sincerely apologize. We didn't feel you were ready and you didn't have the proper equipment. That was a judgement call that I have to make. It's just one of those things that goes along with running a school. I hope this clears up this issue. I think sparring has a very important place in training and if I didn't than I would not have been able to compete myself, as well as train several people to Championship level. If you have any further questions or comments I would be happy to clairify my response via email or please feel free to call me at the school. Thank you [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Anthony Huss? Author: Dave [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:31:10 07/27/04 Tue As far as sparring goes at Scott Shield's Academy, I hate to tell you, Forum Member, but it did and does happen. As a matter of fact, we did it tonight, and it wasn't the first time by any means. Mr. Shields is a very experienced teacher and martial artist. He knows that sparring is a must, but he also knows how to train safely. I have trained for many years at other schools, and I have seen many many people get hurt because the instructor lets the students go at it after just being there a few months or even a year. They go crazy. It takes the fun and safety out of training. Also, I think the disrespect needs to go, Forum Member, because it is immature and quite honestly reflects the reason Mr. Shields would not have let you spar. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Anthony Huss? Author: Forum member [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:57:46 07/28/04 Wed So I bought 14 ounce sparring gloves, head gear, mouth piece, shin guards, even hand wraps, and I didn't have the proper gear? Plus I attended class twice a week for a year and a half and not once did I see anyone else spar. So maybe it was a secret? And I wasn't allowed in? Or told what I had to do to get to the point where I would be allowed in the secret club? I swear to you and all who read this I NEVER saw anyone spar at the school after the sparring class was canceled. Nor was I ever told that I couldn't because I wasn't good enough. Nor was I ever told what I would have to do to improve enough to have the opportunity. Nor did anyone else ever say "keep practicing and your skills will be good enough in another six months to spar." But I asked repeatedly. And I never showed a single shred of disrespect the entire time I was there. Maybe some of you think I'm being disrespectful now, but I ask you, if you signed up to learn how to fight, spent a long time trying to be good enough to learn how, paid the money, thanked the instructor for their time after EACH AND EVERY CLASS, and then find out that there were secret sparring sessions that you were never invited to because you weren't "good enough" don't you think you'd be a tad upset too? I'm at a loss to know what to say. I feel cheated and completely insulted that after all that time and asking you when we could spar you never once told me I wasn't good enough and that's what held me back. I had all the gear. I still do. That's a terrible excuse if you just didn't want to tell me I suck. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Anthony Huss? Author: Scott Shields [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:10:43 07/28/04 Wed Once again, I have to apologize for your bad experience at the school. I didn't imply that you were a disrespectful student, far from it. I'm also sorry that you feel insulted, like I said before that was NEVER my intension. There have been some unfortunate misunderstandings here, I hate that you feel the way you do. There is more to this story than can be written here, so I will withdraw from this thread. Just leaving with, I'm sorry that there were misunderstandings between us, I'll work on communicating better with students in the future. I have a lot of students and I have to try to gauge their abilites the best I can. I personally didn't think you were ready. It's a judgement call, thats all. I know you don't agree but that is something I can't do anything about now. Sparring has always been a important part of training here the school, it's a activity that we work on quite often. As I had posted earlier, if I didn't think so, than I would not have been able to compete or train others do so. I hope your training is going well, keep it up, and good luck in the future. If anyone has any further questions or comments than please drop me an email. Thanks Scott Shields [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Anthony Huss? Author: Forum Member [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:09:39 07/28/04 Wed I'm left concluding that I am the most unathletic clod to ever walk the face of the earth if I spend a year and a half at something and still can't do it well enough to be allowed to participate in the secret sessions. That's great. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]