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Subject: To the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu community


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ADCC Post
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Date Posted: 22:47:45 09/23/05 Fri

ADCC NEWS received this note from Relson Gracie himself -
To the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu community:

I would like to inform you that Joe Hurst has been misleading the public. With his unknown belt ranks from Brown to so called Black. Joe Hurst has no honor as a jiu jitsu fighter to represent the Gracie Family in anyway or form.

I was once his instructor and I personally know what type of person he really is. I am Challenging Joe Hurst to fight one of my purple belts at his event or any event, with GI or No Gi, with time limit or No time limit.

Relson Gracie
Coordinador técnico da federacao de NC
www.ncbjjf.com

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[> Subject: Relson Gracie Speaks the Truth He is a 8th Degree Red and Black Belt , As stated by BJJ.org


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Peter LaFleur
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Date Posted: 02:00:00 09/24/05 Sat

Damit, ADCC Poster you beat me to the post. Whoever you are, you ruined my post and my entire weekend. I challenge you to a game of DodgeBall at the Bud Nationals. Do you accept?

Well i'll post it again along with my comments, doesn't have as much spark now, but oh well. I swear this was sweet timing by Relson. At least one person agrees with me.



First and Foremost I would like to apologize to Steve, for the previous posts, maybe they were inapporiate. They were somewhat childish. I agree we all need to keep a common focus and goal and that is to help the sport of Grappling grow, however i think that this is not the focus of some people. This is a forum and i thought it was to voice your opinions and concerns, especially when it involves the NC grappling scene. Even if it was in a disrespectful way. I feel like i have been disrespected by Joe Hurst for sometime now.



I said i wasn't gonna post anymore, however due to the statements made by Mr Hurst, i must respond in a appropriate manner. I had also decided to come clean about my secret identity but due to the harsh and threating statements made by Mr Hurst, i must remain Peter LaFleur, and keep my identity unknown, because of the fear of my own health and safety. I question your belt rank, grammar skills, and make a few statements, and you come back with threating statments, like your gonna physically attack me and cause me harm if you see me on the street, LOL. I'm really scared. I am not concerned about your streetfighter tatics "Just because you play the Nintendo game Streetfighter, or Mortal Combat does not qualify you to become a streetfighter" or your army of 50 Blue Belts=almost purple who would love to get me on the mat."I would simply ask each and every one of them, how they wanted to be tapped and then tell them how long it would take". About your grammar, Come on Joe, i mean look at some of your previous posts man, i had to hire a damn decoder specialist from the FBI to tell me what they meant. Slow down Dude, maybe you just need to type slower



Well Joe its seems to me you have bigger fish to fry like Relson Gracie. You know I have attended quite a few seminars with Master Relson in the past, and i don't know him that well personally, however i know he was on the street alot in his younger days, so i am sure he is a seasoned streetfighter like yourself. I also know he is one of the most respected figures in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu today. I am sure you probably check the news on Abu Dhabi, and read the previous post also, but if not here's a link below or you can just read it here, i took the liberty of making it convient for you and everybody else to view.



So what i am wondering, are you gonna be a internet warrior like myself or are you gonna accept the challenge made by Master Relson Gracie? I really wasn't planning on attending the Bud Nationals, but if this happens i may buy tickets for the whole family. Also Joe i could not find this info on the tournament website, but do you have any discounts on bulk spectators tickets, if i order 10 or more for the whole family, to come and watch. How many spectators are you expecting at your event, well what ever it is triple it, after this news gets out. This is truely my last post. Have a nice day :o)

Much Respect
LaFleur




Relson Statement Click Here!! To ensure Authenticity
Or Just Read Below, News From Abu Dhabi









A Note From Relson Gracie


Submitted by: Relson Gracie
Posted On 09/23/2005


ADCC NEWS received this note from Relson Gracie himself -





To the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu community:



I would like to inform you that Joe Hurst has been misleading the public. With his unknown belt ranks from Brown to so called Black. Joe Hurst has no honor as a jiu jitsu fighter to represent the Gracie Family in anyway or form.



I was once his instructor and I personally know what type of person he really is. I am Challenging Joe Hurst to fight one of my purple belts at his event or any event, with GI or No Gi, with time limit or No time limit.



Relson Gracie

Coordinador técnico da federacao de NC

www.ncbjjf.com




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Author:
Anthony
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Date Posted: 02:17:01 09/24/05 Sat

Interesting to say the least. Is Relson the guy who's in charge of the same organization that Joe is spearheading? Or is he the head of the rival organization?

It seems he's with the rival group. So his approval or opinion wouldn't be an issue either way.

I'm not sure, sooo many Gracies now-a-days. And they can't even decide amongst themselves who is in charge.

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whitfield
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Date Posted: 00:19:03 09/25/05 Sun

soo many gracies? relson is helio's second oldest son, not exactly a nobody

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Steve
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Date Posted: 11:04:35 09/24/05 Sat

LaFleur,

"First and Foremost I would like to apologize to Steve, for the previous posts, maybe they were inapporiate."

Apology accepted. No problem, man.

"This is a forum and i thought it was to voice your opinions and concerns, especially when it involves the NC grappling scene. Even if it was in a disrespectful way."

Voice all your opinions and concerns. But please do so respectfully. We can disagree and argue. But we don't have to take it to a nasty level. It sets a bad example for everyone.

"I feel like i have been disrespected by Joe Hurst for sometime now."

I don't know the circumstances behind this so I can't really get into it. All I can say is to take this up with Joe personally and keep the forum out of it.

Thanks for your comments, bro. I appreciate it. Just keep things respectable.


Steve

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Joe Hurst
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Date Posted: 11:29:41 09/24/05 Sat

I have no problem with his other belts my problem was with him.

He knows I am growing and he hates it, I have not spoke to him in years.

Yes he is apart of that Louis Togno Federation.

What I am trying to do was with Carlinho Gracie Jr himself to better the sport and support the complete growth of every tournament here in NC, all of them and help with Rules refs etc.. that was Carlos Jr's idea..

Not to stop or seperate schools or events but to make them all grow and that is what I will do.


From James to Jason's Guy's or Anthony's events, as I said before all will be helped to make ALL events grow, period.

I have already called and let them know what Relson has said, no comment is the general awnser for me to give because I am correct and I agree with them.

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Guest
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Date Posted: 18:24:27 09/24/05 Sat

Joe what happened to defending your honor?

When "so called Peter" said your grammer was terrible you were ready to take it to the street and take it as a threat on your life. Why not treat the nasty comment by Relson the same? What about your honor? Are the rules different now?

Relson personally called you out, "Peter" didn't it. What happened to raised in the streets? Where is your honor? Call him out and kick his ass!

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Joe Hurst
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Date Posted: 19:42:23 09/24/05 Sat

Guest,
I have already pre pared a full statement to be placed on ADCC. I have said all I have to say to Peter and I will say what I have to say to Relson as well. This no name hiding behind screens web site is silly.

Joe Hurst
jiujitsujoe@hotmail.com
704 857 9000
318 Hurst Dr.
Sailsbury NC

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Billy D.
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Date Posted: 03:23:57 09/25/05 Sun

Dude I say give your self time to get ready and take a match.

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Air
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Date Posted: 10:10:55 09/25/05 Sun

Relson is a bitter old alcoholic. No one should care what he has to say. Just ignore that old man and let him go fix some more fights in Hawaii.

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Author:
Joe Hurst
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Date Posted: 21:04:06 09/27/05 Tue

Billy, this is what I meant when if I do it I will get paid to do it.

Are you coming this weekend? It looks big according to pre reg and hotel reservation.

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Billy D.
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Date Posted: 22:53:00 09/27/05 Tue

Yea I kinda figured that.I was'nt really in the mood for cough syrup anyway.I will not be able to be there,I'll be in Miami from Friday until Monday.I believe some of our guys will be making it down though.

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Author:
Ryan
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Date Posted: 22:54:31 09/27/05 Tue

Joe, we're moving the school this week, but if you need help, please let me know. Jeff and I were supposed to be teaching in DC, but I've decided to stay here.

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