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Date Posted: 19:10:23 01/14/02 Mon
Author: Chris
Subject: Demonic Possession

Look, demonic Possession is real. It does exist. It exists in Reiki, Buddhism, the Koran, cults. The only way to get out of demonic possession is by Christ. You have to have the Holy Spirit. Otherwise you are screwed. all these other religions are demonic religions. All religions except for Christianity are demonic and unclean and are lies. The devil is a liar. God is the Truth. Reality- what is actual, what is true. In John 14:6, Jesus says the "I am the way, the TRUTH and the LIFE. No one can come to the Father except thru me." There is only one reality. There is only one God. Anyone who trys to lead you from that one God, is of the devil and is a liar.




Someone might tell me you are a mailman. But in reality you arent. But if i go and tell everyone you are a mailman, i am still lying even though i sincerely think i am telling the truth.

The truth is not what i sincerely believe or what you sincerely believe.

No matter how much you or I believe, something, unless it is actually true, it still wont be truth.



(1Jn.2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


God cannot lie

Tit.1:2; In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;)



(Jn.14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



(2Tim.4:4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.)


(1Jn.1:10; If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.)

Everyone has sinned. All are guilty. No one is righteous except by the blood of Christ. All your percieved good deeds wont alone get you to heaven. Unless you are saved by the blood of Christ, you are not getting to heaven, no matter how good you think you are. If you think you can make yourself righteous, you are wrong. Slef righteous people are wrong. Only Christ can make you right with God.



John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


(John.1:1-2
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.)




(Prov.14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.)


john 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.)


(Matt.19:16-21 And he(Jesus) said unto him, "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:"



If we live by the Word of God we live within God.


1Cor.10:17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.


2 john 1: 9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Part of worshipping God is saying what God says is Truth. God makes reality. We dont. What God says is Good is Good.
The evil one would like us to not listen to God so we will be unable to discern. If we have no knowledge of truth, how can we discern? Surely without truth we will cast our pearls to swine. The swine is the devil. Fools think they have wisdom in themselves. Fools walk in the dark. You cannot see anything in the dark. So therefore, you have to take man's word for what they give you. And mans word is less than crap without God backing up their word.

Truth is the foundation we should build our lives upon. What can stand upon a lie? Only lies can stand on a lie.

If you are living a lie, you are lying about living. And if you are lying about living, you are dead. What you may percieve as living, may be death.


(Prov.8:22-36 36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.)

1Cor.8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.)




(Jn.15:1,8-10
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.)



The only way you can show love is by obeying God's commandements, not just to God, but thats how everyone is to show love to God and to one another. If i love you, I obey God. If i love God, I obey God.

God is Life. God is love. God is Truth. God created us all. So God knows what is best for us all. God would not want us to do something that hurts us all. God does not wish for us to be diseased. God does not wish for us to be confused. God does not wish for us to be broken.


1Jn.4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


Nothing could be anything without the Light of God, which is His Word


Without truth, we truly have nothing. Without truth, all there are are lies. There is no life in a lie.

Without a supreme being to say what reality is, there would be no absolute reality. Therefore everything becomes relative. So if everything you say is relative, your words have no integrity or meaning. You only can have integrity and truth and meaning in God. God is the only thing that is true. Nothing else can be true without God. This is why God is life.

Truth is Life.


There is only one way to live. But there are many ways to die
There is only one Truth, but there are many lies


(Jn.11:25-26
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?)


(Jn.14:11-12
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.)

(Ps.115:17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.)
(Prov.21:16 The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.)


You can still be dead, but have a beating heart. Life is more than functionality.

If you live a lie, you are dead.


2Cor.5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:)

(Eze.33:8-9,11,14-16
8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live:



No man is a rock without God. God is the Truth that all people should build upon. If you do not build upon the Truth, you build upon nothing. And what can stand upon nothing?


Romans 8: 31. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?


If truth be for us, what can be against us?



(Jn.5:24-26
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

(Jn.11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?)



(Rom.5:12,15 12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.)


romans 6: 21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.


There will be no God in hell. No love, no life, no truth. Only Chaos, lies. If you are worried about the flames of hell, you are worrying about the wrong thing. You should be worrying about being seperated from God. Hell is a place of darkness. Maybe you think because you have a couple of friends going there that youll get to see your friends in hell. But you wont see anyone in Hell. It is Dark. You wont see them. It is gnashing of teeth. It is knowing that you will NEVER see God or be in God's presence ever again.

(Heb.4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

The word of God is Truth. Truth is more powerful than anything.



Am I a good person? Only God is Good. Am I a bad person? I am nothing without God(who is Truth)

You must have a foundation(Truth), before you can build anything. I cannot even begin to build a life until I start building my life on truth.

If you build upon a lie, you build upon nothing, and only nothing can stand upon nothing.


We are all in this together. The sin of one affects us all.we must all realize, if we were in the same position as adam, in the same body, thinking the same thoughts, we probably wouldve done the same thing.

Matter can not exist without truth existing first.

God's word has so much integrity, that what he speaks is and will always be true. Hence, he can speak and light appears. He speaks and earth is created.



I think the thing that is tempting about the demonic universe is that you are offered everything. Everything seems vast and unlimited. Millions of plains, millions of realities. Millions of meanings. Millions of experiences. But the demonic universe isn't Absolute Truth and has no Truth because the demonic universe has no God. In the demonic realm, anything can be reality. It is vast, it is so vast, it loses all meaning. You can experience anything you want. There are no rules. But there is also no meaning because there are no rules or guidelines or absolute truth, in otherwords, no God. Everything is exceptible in the demonic universe. Molestation of children, same sex marriages, marriages with your own children, ripping babies out of their mother's wombs, murder, lying, teaching children how to do porn videos, stealing, cheating, worshipping whatever you want or nothing, cutting off peoples body parts, and if there is no God, you can claim all these acts to be acts of love, because if someone is not God, who are they to tell you what is right? They are still people. No person is better than the next. So no person gets to tell you what is right. God can tell you what is right, because God is higher than us all. But people cant. Or maybe people want to live in a world where everyone worships a man instead of God. In the demonic universe you can do that. In fact in the demonic universe, you can be God yourself. Are you really God? No, but in the demonic universe there is no reality because there is no God. There are no boundries. You dont have to wait for anything. You can have everything instantly. There are no rules. People say, "this doesnt sound like life". Only God is life. The demonic universe is perverse. Everyone gets to decide what they think is right in the demonic universe. There is no real right and wrong in the demonic universe. Everything is grey. Nothing really matters. Oh you did a bunch of good deeds? well in the demonic universe, everyone has their own interpretation of what is good or right. So the awards you get, dont really mean a whole lot. You just have a bunch of godless people giving you awards if you do get any. They dont know truth and there is no truth in them. Check this out: Im you. Im me. Im everyone. Im a blade of grass, Im the smartest and best and everyone is crap. And everyone can say the same thing about themselves. This is the universe we have when we take out order.
There is no God in the demonic realm. Doesnt sound too much different than the earth we live in right now, does it? If everyone has their own view and everything is ok and everything can be anything, then everything is really nothing. Without no God, there is no true meaning to anything so anyone can give anything any meaning they want. Oh you think sex is specia, well someone else doesnt. You think marriage is special? Welll someone else doesnt think it is. Oh you think you are special? Well soeone else doesnt think so.

But with God, if God thinks you are special, you are special. If God thinks an act is special, it is special. No matter what soomeone else thinks of you, if God thinks you are secial you are special, because God is Truth and if truth says you are special, you are. If Truth says an act is sacred it is. And if truth says something is bad, it is. If truth says it is loving to do something, it is loving. If truth says no other sacrifices are neccessary, they arent neccessary. If Truth says yo are forgiven, you are forgiven. If Truth says it is right to do something, you can do it in full confidence because you know in truth it is right to do it. Too often in society, we have people making you feel akward for doing the right thing. But people arent God. And most people have no clue to what truth means or what life means. And there is also plenty of hipocracy in the world.




For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. (John 3:17)


God's Word is the truth which gives Life



Notice in Genisus, that God created Light first . God said let there be light.
First comes Truth(Light), then comes substance(earth, matter, meaning).


And let our make and place as men, remind us of our duty as Christians, always to keep heaven in our eye, and the earth under our feet. -(From Henry's concise commentary)


I have study and been part of many religions and cults and different practices. I know of their wickednss.
I even know about secret societies and secret cults.
I was one of the first people to start the rave scene(about 15 years ago), so i know about the modern music scenes and the people in them. I have recently(feb 2001) gotten involved heavily in christianity.


Church is the body of Christ. You are either always in church or you never are in church.

We live in a brainwashed society. They think just because a sign on a building says church, they think they are in it if they go in that building. Just like alot of kids think they are cool just because they put on the latest fads or listen to the latest music.


God is Truth, so man cannot know truth about anything till man knows God

There are only two ways, truth or lies. The truth is straight and narrow way. But the lies are wide and many.


I went years being insane. I could figure out truth. I couldnt figure out right and wrong. I didnt know if there was a God. So I lived in a world where every man dictates one's own reality. The only flaw in this is that we are all men. So there is nothing above us to gives me or anyone else authority to say what is truly right and wrong, unless there is a God.

Now i believe the Bible, after reading it, is the true word of God we should all live by. I believe this is the real God. And i believe your prayers are wasted on idols and demons and lying spirits, if you are not praying to the God of the Bible in Jesus Christ's name. If you pray to allah, you might as well be praying to satan. If you pray to a golden calf, it's the same as praying to Allah. Allah is no more another name for God, than Yoda is another name for God.



I used to think I am one being, then I couldnt handle it, and went BOOM(big bang). Then I created this false reality so I wouldnt think I was all alone.
If you dont believe there is a GOd, you must believe you are God and we all are God. And if that is the case, we are all one being. And if we are all one being, then there is no other peole, and we are just alone and all the people we see is just an illusion. But if we are all just an illusion to escape the reality that we are actually just one lonely being, then everything is a lie. And if everything is a lie, then we are not really alive. There must be a God in order for there to be life. If all reality is an illusion(a lie) then I am living a lie. And if Im lying about living, then I am dead.

I think if you dont know God, you are living in HEll and are dead. I believe I was in Hell for two years and never knew it. When I lot my mind, it was very hellish.

Intelligent design points to a God. These universe wasnt randomly put together. Cells can not be randomly put together. Cells are soo complex it would be like saying you could randomly slap keys together and make a specific instructions booklet for a specific car. And you would write it without one spelling error. Im basically talking about having a three years old with no language or writting skills or knowledge of a car, randomly type out an instruction manuel, perfectly for a specific car. Cells have a specific design. Even the amino acids which are the basic building blocks of a cell are extremely hard to radomly create. Amino Acids have 24 parts that fit together like a jigsaw puzzle. The odds of throwing 24 jigsaw pieces in the air and having them come down to form a completed puzzle are about the same as a amino acid forming by chance. And even if a amino acid does form by chance, which is astronomical, there are many corspes in the graveyards that have amino acids and they are not alive. Design in living systems.. A living cell is so awsomely complex that its interdependent components stagger the imagination and defy evolutionary explanations. A minimal cell contains over 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations. Just where exactly did cells get the intelligence to design themselves?



1. The Fossil Record…Evolutionists have constructed the Geologic Column in order to illustrate the supposed progression of "primitive" life forms to "more complex" systems we observe today. Yet, "since only a small percentage of the earth's surface obeys even a … portion of the geologic column…the claim of their having taken place to form a continuum of rock/life/time…over the earth is therefore a fantastic and imaginative contrivance.1" "[T]he lack of transitional series cannot be explained as being due to the scarcity of material. The deficiencies are real, they will never be filled."2 This supposed column is actually saturated with "polystrate fossils" (fossils extending from one geologic layer to another) that tie all the layers to one time-frame. "


Dinosaurs were around the same time as man. Fossil records can be linked to one time frame. The earth is only about 6500 years old. And all these other theories that claim the earth to be millions of years old , are just theories. Not reality.

2. Decay of Earth's Magnetic Field…Dr. Thomas Barnes, Emeritus Professor of Physics at the University of Texas at El Paso, has published the definitive work in this field.4 Scientific observations since 1829 have shown that the earth's magnetic field has been measurably decaying at an exponential rate, demonstrating its half-life to be approximately 1,400 years. In practical application its strength 20,000 years ago would approximate that of a magnetic star. Under those conditions many of the atoms necessary for life processes could not form. These data demonstrate that earth's entire history is young, within a few thousand of years.


3. The Global Flood… The Biblical record clearly describes a global Flood during Noah's day. Additionally, there are hundreds of Flood traditions handed down through cultures all over the world. 5 M.E. Clark and Henry Voss have demonstrated the scientific validity of such a Flood providing the sedimentary layering we see on every continent. 6 Secular scholars report very rapid sedimentation and periods of great carbonate deposition in earth's sedimentary layers..7 It is now possible to prove the historical reality of the Biblical Flood.






4. Population Statistics…World population growth rate in recent times is about 2% per year. Practicable application of growth rate throughout human history would be about half that number. Wars, disease, famine, etc. have wiped out approximately one third of the population on average every 82 years. Starting with eight people, and applying these growth rates since the Flood of Noah's day (about 4500 years ago) would give a total human population at just under six billion people. However, application on an evolutionary time scale runs into major difficulties. Starting with one "couple" just 41,000 years ago would give us a total population of 2 x 10 to the power of 89. The universe does not have space to hold so many bodies.


. Radio Halos…Physicist Robert Gentry has reported isolated radio halos of polonuim-214 in crystalline granite. The half-life of this element is 0.000164 seconds! To record the existence of this element in such short time span, the granite must be in crystalline state instantaneously.10 This runs counter to evolutionary estimates of 300 million years for granite to form.


6. Human Artifacts throughout the Geologic Column…Man-made artifacts - such as the hammer in Cretaceous rock, a human sandal print with trilobite in Cambrian rock, human footprints and a handprint in Cretaceous rock - point to the fact that all the supposed geologic periods actually occurred at the same time in the recent past.

. Helium Content in Earth's Atmosphere… Physicist Melvin Cook, Nobel Prize medalist found that helium-4 enters our atmosphere from solar wind and radioactive decay of uranium. At present rates our atmosphere would accumulate current helium-4 amounts in less than 10,000 years



8. Expansion of Space Fabric…Astronomical estimates of the distance to various galaxies gives conflicting data. 13The Biblical Record refers to the expansion of space by the Creator14. Astrophysicist Russell Humphries demonstrates that such space expansion would dilate time in distant space.15 This could explain a recent creation with great distances to the stars.




1Jn.2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Ps.9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

(Jn.14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


1Jn.5:10. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.)

2Tim.4:4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.)


Evolution is a racist fable. Evolution leads to racism. Most of Hitler's views were based on evolution and occultism.

Creation teachs we all come from Adam and Eve, so we are all of the same family.


(Ps.115:17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.)
(Prov.21:16 The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.)



(Jn.11:25-26 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?)


(Ecc.9:5-6 5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

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