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Date Posted: 11:48:24 08/29/03 Fri
Author: Maria
Subject: Re: Bush: a believer in Christian values?
In reply to: Alan Rowlands 's message, "Re: Bush: a believer in Christian values?" on 19:03:28 05/28/03 Wed

I find such mantra laughable considering people that make such statements never seem to lay out any validation of their accusations. The term "neo-conservative" has been overused so much that the definition is muttled. Seems like liberals enjoy the shock value more than have the ability to support their statements.

>Anyone who does not denounce George W. Bush as a
>shameless opportunist is either willfully ignorant of
>his monstrous personal and political record or is part
>of the neo-conservative movement which exploits
>corrupt and/or gullible "believers".

I'd love the definition of "mainstream" churches here. Again, you seem to enjoy the art of generalization not based upon any facts.

And I don't recall any Christian ever stating they were trying to promote their faith through politics. I don't know where you even came up with that one.
Today's
>mainstream "church" has gone whoring after worldly
>wealth and power; its members have either deluded
>themselves into believing they can promote Christian
>faith through political influence or chosen mammon
>over God.

"puppet" "corporate interests"....yada yada. Seems like liberals like to read from the same Manifesto. I don't want to shock you, but those corporations you rail against were in existence during the Clinton administration as well. And just for a bit of FYI, Enron was in bed with the Clinton White House far before the Bush administration came on the scene. Politicking and hand greasing was part of the good ole boy politics of the Clintons. Remember, the Lincoln bedroom was rented out more than a Las Vegas hooker.

So Republicans ignore the poor too? And I'm sure you have documentation to prove that as well? Please let me know of the huge numbers of minorities that were taken off the welfare rolls while under the Clinton leadership? Please show me how many minorities that were taken out of poverty and live middle class income status now...because of the democrats' "I feel your pain" dogma? Check the stats, the government stats. Hardly a dent was made in the rolls during those 8 years.
Bush is an evil man; a puppet of corporate
>interests that see the United States and its people as
>just another means to gain greater riches and power.
>May all pseudo-Christian war-mongers who ignore the
>suffering of the poor be exposed for the vainglorious
>hypocrites they are.
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>>As a supposed promoter of Christian values, do you
>>believe that the following is relevant to national
>>discussion? Do disseminate this information to other
>>interested parties. References are at the end of the
>>post.
>>
>>In October 1942, ten months after entering World War
>>II, America was
>>preparing its first assault against Nazi military
>>forces. Prescott
>>Bush was managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman.
>>His 18-year-old
>>son George, the future U.S. President, had just begun
>>training to
>>become a naval pilot. On Oct. 20, 1942, the U.S.
>>government ordered
>>the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New
>>York City which
>>were being conducted by Prescott Bush. Under the
>>Trading with the
>>Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking
>>Corporation, in
>>which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property
>>Custodian seized
>>Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares, all of which were
>>owned by
>>Prescott Bush, E. Roland `` Bunny '' Harriman, three
>>Nazi executives,
>>and two other associates of Bush. (1)
>>
>>By Oct. 26, 1942, U.S. troops were under way for North
>>Africa. On
>>Oct. 28, the government issued orders seizing two Nazi
>>front
>>organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the
>>Holland-American
>>Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment
>>Corporation. (2)
>>
>>U.S. forces landed under fire near Algiers on Nov. 8,
>>1942; heavy
>>combat raged throughout November. Nazi interests in
>>the
>>Silesian-American Corporation, long managed by
>>Prescott Bush and his
>>father-in-law George Herbert Walker, were seized under
>>the Trading
>>with the Enemy Act on Nov. 17, 1942. In this action,
>>the government
>>announced that it was seizing only the Nazi interests,
>>leaving the
>>Nazis' U.S. partners to carry on the business. (3)
>>
>>Bush and Quayle's advisers in 1988 included several
>>European fascist
>>activists, including Nazi collaborator Laszlo Pasztor,
>>who had served
>>as junior envoy in Berlin for the Arrow Cross regime
>>in his native
>>Hungary; Florian Goldau, who had been recruiter for
>>the Romanian Iron
>>Guard; Bohdan Fedorak, who had headed a Ukranian
>>pro-Nazi group
>>involved in wartime pogroms; and Croatian-born
>>agitator Jerome
>>Brentar, a fixture on the Holocaust denial circuit.
>(4)
>>
>>Discussing what he would say to Israeli Jews upon
>>arriving in the
>>middle east in 1993, George W. joked: "[You're all]
>>going to hell."
>>(5)
>>
>>Tapes of the Bush Family's long-time spiritual
>>adviser, Billy Graham,
>>have revealed that Graham used to have vehemently
>>anti-Semitic
>>conversations with Nixon. For example, Graham blamed
>>"satanic Jews"
>>for the nation's problems. After agreeing with Nixon
>>that left-wing
>>Jews dominate the news-media, Graham stated that
>>"They're the ones
>>putting out the pornographic stuff," and the Jewish
>>"stranglehold has
>>got to be broken or the country's going down the
>>drain." He also
>>admitted that "a lot of the Jews are great friends of
>>mine.... But
>>they don't know how I really feel about what they are
>>doing about
>>this country." (6)
>>
>>Whether one is for or against it, the death penalty is
>>a serious
>>issue. When Karla Faye Tucker was asked, just before
>>her execution,
>>"What would you say to Governor Bush?" George W.
>>showed the
>>sensitivity of a Nazi when he mocked her: "Please...
>>don't kill me!"
>>(7)
>>
>>References:
>>1. Office of Alien Property Custodian, Vesting Order
>>No. 248. The
>>order was signed by Leo T. Crowley, Alien Property
>>Custodian,
>>executed October 20, 1942; F.R. Doc. 42-11568; Filed,
>>November 6,
>>1942, 11:31 A.M.; 7 Fed. Reg. 9097 (Nov. 7, 1942). See
>>also the New
>>York City Directory of Directors (available at the
>>Library of
>>Congress). The volumes for the 1930s and 1940s list
>>Prescott Bush as
>>a director of Union Banking Corporation for the years
>>1934 through
>>1943.
>>
>>2. Alien Property Custodian Vesting Order No. 259:
>>Seamless Steel
>>Equipment Corporation; Vesting Order No. 261:
>>Holland-American
>>Trading Corp.
>>
>>3. Alien Property Custodian Vesting Order No. 370:
>>Silesian-American Corp.
>>
>>4. Washington Jewish Week, September 8, 1988.
>>
>>5. Austin-American Statesman, December 1, 1998.
>>
>>6. David Firestone, "Billy Graham Responds to
>>Lingering Anger Over
>>1972 Remarks on Jews." New York Times, Sunday, March
>>17, 2002.
>>
>>7. Talk, Sept 1999, Quoted in The Bush Dyslexicon:
>>Observations on a
>>national disorder, by MC Miller

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