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Date Posted: 08:31:10 06/30/00 Fri
Author: TJ
Subject: Re: What is an... 'up and under swing'?
In reply to: Bob G 's message, "Re: What is an... 'up and under swing'?" on 07:11:15 06/30/00 Fri

> > Up and under means that a single axis player (an many
> > pushers like Joe Norwood, or, even, Lee Trevino;
> > winner at age 60!!)hit underneath the hips ( as
> > opposed to around the hips), and up.
> >
> > Moe gets so flat, with that long driver of his, that
> > it is sometimes difficult to see this move, but it is
> > very evident, on his iron shots.
> >
> > It is my opinion that the weight staying over the
> > right knee, and transferring on to the left big toe
> is
> > all caused by this up and under move, and, if you
> have
> > a hard time doing these things (including keeping
> > weight on right foot) it is because you haven't
> > mastered the move.
> >
> > I am struggling with this myself, right now, but I
> > feel that it is one of the misunderstandings of the
> > swing.
> >
> > If you want to experience this "feel", stand with
> your
> > feet wide apart, facing forward, and lift your right
> > arm, to the right, parallel to the ground, and
> > underarm throw your right arm to the left side (stay
> > facing forward). Note that all the Moe moves
> > automatically happen from this underhanded throwing
> > move. Notice that the swing goes under the hips and
> > up.
> >
> > Up for discussion. I think this is right, but not
> > sure.
> >
> > Remington
>
>
> Remington
>
> While I believe I've had the most success with a move
> very similar to what you discribe. In the article by
> cigar afficianado (sp?), todd graves discribes the
> swing as a throwing a softball underhand motion. Is
> this the same? Any trigger thoughts you use to set
> this motion in your mind? I sometimes try on the
> downswing to vision bringing my left hand (I'm right
> handed), through the swing in what feels like an
> "upward" motion, which results in a feeling for the
> right hand as an under motion! My biggest problem
> tends to be my left hand leading more across my body
> to the left of the target, rather than straight at the
> target, producing a pull or slice Ugh! When I attempt
> to have my left arm go straight across the ball and at
> the target, I tend to open the back of my wrist rather
> than flat at the target. After 2 years of NG still
> have a series of holes that every drive is right down
> the pike, then several holes where balls are flying
> everywhere! All in the same round! Very frustrating.
>
> Any suggestions?


Sounds like a few of you have discovered the firing of the right side (Tommy Armour style). This is a very traditional move in golf that goes in and out of favor. The feeling is that the downswing starts with a downward motion of the right arm/hand /elbow or other part of the right arm you want to focus on. You will not be successful in feeling this motion, if your body is in the way ( of free arm swing). NG accomplishes this by having you reach for the ball with the single axis setup. More conventional is the early rotation of the hips (Hogan). Problem with hip turn is it has the tendency to promote an over the top move when your timing is off (hands lag behind body). Squaring the body at impact is better to prevent this tendency and is accomplished by initiating your downswing with the hands and arms first, then the body reacts. Key word to remember is "reacts".

Hope this clarifies. Simply put setup for a free arm swing with correct grip and feel the downswing as an underhand throwing motion. Don't worry about visualizing position so much as feeling the underhand motion to start the downswing.

TJ

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